October 18, 2013 at 2:31 am #216832
Since the hosts decided to complete ignore this topic in their podcast I thought I would open up a forum for discussion among the fans. What did everyone think about Mulan going up to Aurora to profess her love to her? Did you see that coming? Do you hope Mulan finds her true love somehow? Was she ever in love with Philip? If so does that mean she is bisexual?
I, like many others, was very upset and perturbed that this topic was ignored. I hope this can generate honest open discussion in this forum!October 18, 2013 at 3:18 am #216834
Listen to OTHER SIDE OF THE MIRROR PODCAST… They are evil regals… they have been talking about this for a long time. I was not surprised about the reveal … I kind of thought Mulan was a little too protective of Aurora and was not always sure it was because of her link to Phillip. I kind of thought Mulan was bi sexual and loved who ever she was with.
Both actresses portraying Mulan and Aurora now are regulars on other shows … this is an on going problem with OUAT … they introduce great talent who get snatched up by other shows. I do not think we are going to see more of the MULAN, AURORA and PHILLIP triangle.
.October 18, 2013 at 3:35 am #216835
It’s been discussed a bit in a couple of other threads, but I’ll put some thoughts here too. (And yes, I noticed it wasn’t mentioned at all in the podcast, which was disappointing, though unfortunately not entirely surprising.)
I was surprised when there were people who had been under the impression that that scene had anything to do with Mulan loving Philip, as opposed to Aurora. To me, it was pretty clear, they even gave Mulan an exact line of Aurora’s, “We shall see,” when she was discussing with Robin about going to see a loved one. And there’s no logical reason that Mulan would have wanted to tell Aurora, “So, I’m in love with your husband.”
Anyway, I guess the way they set it up, going back to S2 where Aurora suspected Mulan had a crush on Philip and she denied it, they probably always intended to end this story thread in this way, without any specific declaration of love from Mulan to Aurora, so I guess they intended to leave it slightly ambiguous for people who might see it either way. On the one hand, that sorta feels like a cop out, because if you’re gonna introduce LGBTQ characters, do it obviously and conclusively. On the other hand, I wonder if their thinking was that doing it this way would get people discussing the issue, and would prepare everyone for the next LGBTQ storyline, which I’m thinking (hoping) will be in the not too distant future. It shouldn’t be a contentious issue, it should just be a case of, “Good stuff, another new love story to watch,” but unfortunately the reality is that there’s a social stigma to same sex relationships, so maybe they’re treading carefully at first?
The way they’ve left it now, they could either pick up Mulan’s story again in the future, (I know Jamie’s on another show, but odds are that Robin’s coming back, and Mulan’s living with him now, so if Jamie becomes available, they could give her more story), or alternately, they’ve opened the door to introduce more LGBTQ characters in the future. (A few of us have speculated a bit if they might make Prince Eric gay, given that Hans Christen Anderson wrote the original as basically an unrequited love letter to a man he knew he could never be with, so there’s some historical basis for them twisting up the story that way.)October 18, 2013 at 8:57 am #216858
I think the whole point of Mulan’s ending scenes in 303 was to openly acknowledge SleepingWarrior but also to open the door for a fully formed LBGTQ couple–either on ONCE or on ONCE WL.
I do think Mulan is perhaps best classified as “bi” but I also think she tends to fall in love with personalities rather than any specific gender.
Also, getting on my MOD box
Our policy is very much ship and let ship even if that ship is no ship. So if you support SleepingWarrior or if you just want to discuss Mulan’s sexual orientation, great! If you’re uncomfortable with this whole topic, please don’t bash!
I went ahead an moved this to 303 episode section since it is an episode specific issue.There are ghosts everywhere. We carry them with us wherever we go.October 18, 2013 at 10:02 am #216889
I do think Mulan is perhaps best classified as “bi” but I also think she tends to fall in love with personalities rather than any specific gender
I was thinking that Mulan was ‘bi’ too but the second bit, interesting observation.When it comes to true love, you’ll take whatever gets you there.October 18, 2013 at 10:09 am #216893
RumplesGirl wrote: I do think Mulan is perhaps best classified as “bi” but I also think she tends to fall in love with personalities rather than any specific gender
I was thinking that Mulan was ‘bi’ too but the second bit, interesting observation.
Even though Aurora pretty much annoyed me for 201-209 I do think she and Philip are similar in personality. Aurora is a spoiled princess but she is also a bit of a warrior, like Philip. She didn’t balk in front of Cora, even though Cora was offering her a way to get Philip back. I think Mulan respects that Aurora didn’t simply want to sit around and make a fuss; she trampled through the woods with Emma and Snow. I think one of the big differences is that Mulan could protect Aurora and that is part of Mulan’s overall character. She set out to kill the Yoagui when it terrorized her village, she went after Aurora with Philip despite having only just met him. And in her own traditional tale, she run off to the army to protect her family and her family’s honor.
I suppose if were to classify her then (this is super tricky) Mulan might be pansexual, meaning that she can fall in love with any gender/sexual orientation–male, female, bi, transgendered, queer, ect.There are ghosts everywhere. We carry them with us wherever we go.October 18, 2013 at 10:13 am #216894
I agree with what Phee wrote. A few decades ago it might have been a stir to see interracial couples, but no one I saw commented on that in a negative way about the ones we’ve seen on the show. Any negatives about Tamara were purely she’s a zealot, illogical-taser-toting, evil cheater, lying liar who lies and kills and steals little boys! Thankfully that intolerance has been changed slowly in part because of shows/stories that helped people to see an example and fall in love alongside people. So sometimes it takes a story to trigger people’s compassion and desire to understand.“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-GlassOctober 18, 2013 at 11:32 am #216911
I agree with what Phee wrote. A few decades ago it might have been a stir to see interracial couples, but no one I saw commented on that in a negative way about the ones we’ve seen on the show. Any negatives about Tamara were purely she’s a zealot, illogical-taser-toting, evil cheater, lying liar who lies and kills and steals little boys! Thankfully that intolerance has been changed slowly in part because of shows/stories that helped people to see an example and fall in love alongside people. So sometimes it takes a story to trigger people’s compassion and desire to understand.
I agree.When it comes to true love, you’ll take whatever gets you there.October 18, 2013 at 12:13 pm #216929
(testing)There are ghosts everywhere. We carry them with us wherever we go.October 18, 2013 at 1:02 pm #216946
Finally! For some reason the site would not let me post in this topic. I was logged in every where else but when it came to this thread, I was logged out.
So I am also very disappointed in the lack of discussion of this topic in the podcast. Then to even say something along the lines of Robin Hood and Mulan getting together, really upset me.
I do respect everyone’s opinion on matters such as this, I do feel I will have to find another podcast on OUAT to listen to.
This decision has stemmed from the discussion in the show notes and a screen capture from Twitter.
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