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August 28, 2014 at 1:36 pm #281125Jenna_BParticipant
Thanks for the well wishes everyone! @Surayya, I definitely do not have walking pneumonia – yikes!! Rest yourself!! We need our gifs and metas! (What? Of course it’s about us! 🙂 )
Excellent meta. Agreed with so much of it, and had to follow her on Tumblr as well. Haha, and in the same vein as your post Bo-Peeps, while reading I was almost laughing to myself – remember when we had to analyze “insert various topics here” in school and it was AWFUL — and now we are, adults, writing/reading/analyzing….for fun?
One of the scenes I had never thought about but was touched upon in the meta – the final scene in Jolly Roger, when the Charmings are eating dinner at Granny’s. I had never noticed the empty chair, nor Emma leaning on it. Emma saved a seat for Hook, even though he had said he needed to be elsewhere. One of the things I love the most about OUAT are the subtleties they include via set decoration, blocking and shots. Sorry, antis – that empty chair was there on purpose – and meant to reinforce the fact that, to the characters – especially Emma – Hook should’ve been there, was part of the family, even if he couldn’t be there physically.
[adrotate group="5"]August 28, 2014 at 2:04 pm #281127PriceofMagicParticipantI disagree that Robin’s a d-bag. For Robin, Marian has been dead for years, and definitely enough to adequately have mourned his wife and move on in a healthy manner. Robin has zero control over the fact that to Marian, they were happily married days earlier, until she was captured by Regina. And seriously, was he supposed to stay celibate in case some random person managed to figure out how to time travel and 4 or so years after he death, inadvertently reunite him with her?
I’m not saying Robin is a douchebag, just that the situation they’ve put him in is one that won’t do him any favours if they don’t get it or the writing absolutely right.
I don’t even really have a problem with the amount of time that has passed for OQ to get where they are – because they’re in that early, ‘everything is great, you’re amazing and you make me amazing’ blah blah blah stage of their relationship. Before they’ve had to deal with any significant problems. Most of us have been there ourselves. I don’t really think Regina and Robin are acting on their feelings for each other solely because a 3rd party told them they were meant to be together. Because every relationship is perfect until reality sinks in and cracks begin to emerge. Even in a good, healthy relationship. Admittedly, OQ’s problem is a little different than most couple’s! I’m not sure Regina and Robin can’t be together – if she’s truly changed…I’m not sure that Regina being Marian’s killer changes that much between Regina and Robin (unpopular thought, I know don’t shoot me! ) — Robin knew of Regina, and he knew of the Evil Queen’s penchant for killing anyone and everyone in her path. Robin would’ve easily been one of the Evil Queen’s victims had he been caught. But he’s made peace with that. Of course, Marian being an almost-victim is far more personal…would Robin have known Marian died at Regina’s hand while still living in the EF? I can’t remember if they made that clear. It seems like it would be the natural assumption that if someone up and disappears, it’s at the hands of the Evil Queen.
My problem with OQ is that Regina’s past as evil queen didn’t seem to bother Robin at all. I would’ve liked to see him be a bit wary of her at first then realise she wasn’t that bad then they develop OQ from there. Instead, Robin seemed to go straight into “you’re hot” territory upon meeting Regina. Also I would’ve liked to be shown WHY that couple should end up together not told they’re meant to be together because “pixie dust said so”.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixAugust 28, 2014 at 2:52 pm #281134obisgirlParticipantOnce publicity team Captain Swan strike again 🙂
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I was wrong about the villains being the most hard core ‘shippers. These guys are 🙂
August 28, 2014 at 3:52 pm #281137PriceofMagicParticipant@surayya, that meta was a good read.
Hook definitely proved himself in season 3 especially by giving up the JR and then not mentioning it. I just hope he doesn’t blow it in season 4.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixAugust 28, 2014 at 3:58 pm #281138obisgirlParticipantHook definitely proved himself in season 3 especially by giving up the JR and then not mentioning it. I just hope he doesn’t blow it in season 4.
I see no reason for him to. The only time he turns dark is when someone kills someone he loves. Even then, I think he’s learned better ways to deal with loss.
The year without Emma for example. He could have reverted to his frat boy pirate ways but he didn’t.
I think he’s matured a lot in the way he loves people and handles loss.
August 28, 2014 at 5:04 pm #281141callmeLolaParticipantahem, off topic but this joke comes from my 12 yr old daughter who asked me to share:
“What do you call a basket with a picture of Neal on it? A Baesket. ”
Sorry.
(not really sorry)
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August 28, 2014 at 5:16 pm #281142Jenna_BParticipantHook definitely proved himself in season 3 especially by giving up the JR and then not mentioning it. I just hope he doesn’t blow it in season 4.
I see no reason for him to. The only time he turns dark is when someone kills someone he loves. Even then, I think he’s learned better ways to deal with loss. The year without Emma for example. He could have reverted to his frat boy pirate ways but he didn’t. I think he’s matured a lot in the way he loves people and handles loss.
Agreed, @Obisgirl – and actually – he tried to return to his old ways during that year and learned it was impossible. Even his worst actions – refusing to help Ariel in favor of getting the JR back – only taught him that returning to his old ways brings him nothing but continued pain. For me, the whole point of the Ariel story is to show the biggest difference between Hook and the other villains that have sought redemption – Rumple and Regina – Hook learns from his mistakes and carries them with him. And that was based on some flirtation in NL and a “good” when they learned they were going to be separated and he told her he’d think about her everyday. Now, Emma has acknowledged her feelings for Hook. He’s not going to blow it in S4. I have faith in my pirate! Again, I think we’ll see Killian can get quite vicious when he’s trying to protect his new family – which I personally cannot wait to see! – but this is where Rumple and Hook differ — Rumple killed Zelena to avenge his son’s death, regardless of what Belle would think or want him to do. I don’t believe Killian would if he were put in the same position because we’ve seen Killian has the ability to put aside his desire for revenge and even assist the person he set out to kill, for just the possibility of redemption and the love that Rumple has when he kills Zelena (does that make sense? The cold meds are really making it difficult to use words!!)
The writers have certainly created a tricky pickle for themselves in S4 as far as Regina goes, I agree with you there, @POM…they’re going to have to handle that storyline almost perfectly in order to get it to feel real. I do really like OQ because I think having someone like Robin in her life could bring a lot of positivity (hmmm…just like a certain pirate for a princess, perhaps? tee hee) and help her in her struggle to redeem herself. But I don’t really like or dislike Marian at this point, so I’m glad Roland’s got his mom back. I assume they’re going to try to show that people can break up (Robin and Marian in this instance) and fall in love with others and still coparent in somewhat more of a traditional sense; paralleling Robin’s parenting experience with Regina and Emma’s coparenting relationship as OQ try to salvage their romantic relationship…that’s going to be tricky. I will say, the writers definitely have me intrigued.
August 28, 2014 at 5:25 pm #281143Epona_610ParticipantFirst of all: get well soon, Surayya and Jenna_B!
And I agree with everyone else that that was a really lovely essay, and like Jenna I definitely never noticed the empty chair thing either! I’ll definitely be watching for that when I go through S3 again now that I have the Blu-Rays. I think I missed a lot of stuff toward the end of that episode because I was so irritated by that last part with Blackbeard (optional bonus rant below).
I mean first of all, clearly mermaids can swim at lightning speed–we’ve seen evidence of that several times, and at the end of this episode Regina says “At the rate mermaids swim, she’s probably already there.” So in a matter of hours (maybe even minutes, I’m not sure!), Ariel could have gotten from Storybrooke to some obscure island in FTL. At that rate, of course she would’ve been able to find Eric before he starved to death! She clearly had no problem just looking on every deserted island in the EF, since that’s what she did, and he was fine. Secondly, if he really wanted to prove that he was still a ruthless pirate or whatever, surely Hook would’ve just tortured the information out of Blackbeard. I mean come on, just because Blackbeard said there were only two options–give up the ship and get Eric or essentially kill them both–didn’t mean that that was the case. Blackbeard was the loser; he wasn’t really in a position to be dictating terms!
August 28, 2014 at 8:16 pm #281150ellemo78ParticipantAwesome meta! (took me a while to read it all!) even though it’s nice confirmation, it’s easy for someone to read something entirely different into it as stated. Weird how the brain works sometimes. I guess that’s why the put the more obvious scenes in (like Tink saying Hook risked himself for Emma, etc) so the entire audience understands if they haven’t picked things up from the subtle scenes – however some people still manage to ignore what’s right in front of their eyes.
I hadn’t noticed the empty chair at Granny’s either. That just makes that scene even more sad.
@Epona – I had the same issue when I first watched it, if it was so easy for Ariel to find Eric, why didn’t she just do that in the first place? However after a bit of a think, I assume that she’s only just found out about Eric being kidnapped, since she got the information from one of Eric’s men who escaped off the Jolly Roger while in port. She must have heard Capt Hook was in the village and sought out him first as she knew the JR belonged to him. So I don’t think she had been searching very long (if at all) before she commanded Hook to help her out.And I think I have been immersed in this fairy tale land way too long, last night I had the weirdest cross over dream between Frozen and that new Tinkerbell and the Pirate Fairy movie (which I haven’t seen!) but in the middle of some weird body swap thing between OUAT Elsa and Hook (a la Pan and Henry) I have an animated Tom Hiddleston as the young Capt Hook with his all singing and dancing naval crew popping up in the middle of it all. I’m not sure what was going on. I woke up feeling very confused. 😉
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
August 28, 2014 at 8:55 pm #281151surayyaParticipantGlad everyone has enjoyed the meta 🙂
And talk about how many villains wanted them or ‘shipped them together. Like all of Regina’s family are hard core ‘shippers. Cora was the first, then Regina herself and then Zelena. Then, we had Pan from Rumple’s side. When you have as many villains wanting them to be together, you know there’s something going on.
Haha, It’s so true as well as very funny lol. When the villains start pointing things out, you listen; when the villains try to pull 2 people apart, you take notice- it’s classic story telling.
SFers interpretation of those scenes (ie, outside the echo caves, and in the diner before the “long haul” discussion just to name two) as showing Hook 1. either seeking to find a way to manipulate Emma or to break up Neal/Emma’s twue wuv relationship by interjecting himself in the scene and/or 2. his reactions to the scenes while not being part of them show him as being an outsider and therefore not a real contender for Emma’s affections. Goes to show how affective the shipping goggles are. When you’re looking for something that your heart desires to happen, even what is clearly shown on screen can be manipulated to suit your way of thinking.
… So Hook was somehow taking ‘scene time’ when SF was on, to inject himself into another couples moment for nefarious means? … they know it’s the writers & directors filming the show o.O & that he was trying to break SF up……. What on earth was Hook was stepping back to give Neal every chance of getting another chance with Emma, for Henry’s sake & Hook implying Tink & he could ‘have been’, when Emma wanted to know…. Also what about the “good” moment….
So very true how thick & offset shipper goggles can be! So when we said it’s like they are watching another show, it was pretty accurate lol
Also I doff my hat to you, from what I’ve heard it’s super negative in there & the snark is rampant … I guess it’s true that certain types of people are far more willing to invest themselves in hate than love :/
@surayya and @Jenna_B hope you both feel better soon. Nothing sucks more than a summer cold. Exactly how cold is it by you right now @surayya?
Thank you, it’s not that cold- around 14 degrees Celsius atm, more wet & damp. It only really gets cold when the weather blows in from Antarctica, dumping snow on the Southern Alps & Northern volcanoes or we get tropical storms hit us- like what is supposed to hit us tomorrow- we have sever weather warnings in place already (this will be big storm number 5).
Just a quickie concerning Hook “He is emotionally literate” (from the saga posted earlier ) …yup. Deeply.
One of my fav parts of the meta that 🙂
Thanks for the well wishes everyone! @Surayya, I definitely do not have walking pneumonia – yikes!! Rest yourself!! We need our gifs and metas! (What? Of course it’s about us! )
LOL, Roger that 😉 Will be browsing for more metas tonight, during the breaks in my rewatch of S3, so wil post if I find any good ones… I’m not doing badly considering I’m not on tumbler myself lol 😛
One of the scenes I had never thought about but was touched upon in the meta – the final scene in Jolly Roger, when the Charmings are eating dinner at Granny’s. I had never noticed the empty chair, nor Emma leaning on it. Emma saved a seat for Hook, even though he had said he needed to be elsewhere. One of the things I love the most about OUAT are the subtleties they include via set decoration, blocking and shots.
Yes, I totally over looked it as well & cant wait to re-watch that scene again with this new context 🙂
My problem with OQ is that Regina’s past as evil queen didn’t seem to bother Robin at all. I would’ve liked to see him be a bit wary of her at first then realise she wasn’t that bad then they develop OQ from there. Instead, Robin seemed to go straight into “you’re hot” territory upon meeting Regina. Also I would’ve liked to be shown WHY that couple should end up together not told they’re meant to be together because “pixie dust said so”.
I was a little surprise by the speed of them, but we havent seen everything that went down over that missing year- maybe they got closer than we know & it transcended cursed memories- kind of like how Snowing’s love did in curse 1.0. As for the why, I think we already know the why- soul mates (pixie dust or no pixie dust, Regina thinks they are soul mates) 😉 Regina opened herself up to the possibility & boom- done, well until Robin’s dead wifey walks into the diner lol
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They really are arent they lol
Hook definitely proved himself in season 3 especially by giving up the JR and then not mentioning it. I just hope he doesn’t blow it in season 4.
I cant see him blowing it- I do however expect him to struggle a little & back slide a few times, like he did in S3. I cant see him being Prince Charming 2.0, because he’s been a pirate for like the last 300 odd yrs & that’d be less entertaining to watch lol.
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