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April 24, 2014 at 9:30 am #263467obisgirlParticipant
I don’t know but that’s a good question. He might have been thinking about. Killian at this point doesn’t know that TLk doesn’t work with memory loss so he probably has not thought that TLk will work now because Emma loves him.
[adrotate group="5"]April 24, 2014 at 9:33 am #263468killianhookfanParticipantI also read that theory about the “curse” really being a protection spell and thought it was interesting and made sense. I’ve decided there are some really smart and creative people in our fandom!
I do think one interesting piece of the puzzle that hasn’t been addressed that we are all now just starting to think about is why Zelena would want to come to SB. There is really no reason for her to need to come to SB to do what she wants to do, in fact it would probably be easier for her to do it back in the EF. She had everything she needed back in the EF and that’s where she was from so to redo history she would really want to STAY in the EF, right? So I am now pretty much convinced it was a “good guy” who either enacted the curse to get back to Emma because she is the only one whose magic is strong enough to defeat her or they came back to SB along with a protection spell for the baby and Zelena is now trying to break the protection spell. The only thing I’m not sure about is whether the protection spell would actually be considered a “curse” – I know the memory loss is bad but is it a side effect of the protection spell? It would seem odd to have TLK break a protection spell. That would be something good breaking something that is also good. Unless the protection spell was just part of the curse that brought them back to SB and erased their memories.
Who knows.
Where I get lost in all of that is that most of that seems like it would have been done by Snowing and Regina but it seems like there is still something big that Hook is hiding from not just Emma but from everyone else, so he MUST have had some part in everything. But if it’s big enough that he can’t tell Snowing and Regina then the above theories don’t work.
One thing I am still not clear on – has Hook actually seen Zelena in SB before she cursed him? Because I THINK every time she has been around Hook has been off with Henry. If that is the case, I do think it is odd that Hook knew who Zelena was as soon as she poofed out of being Ariel (not that that wouldn’t be a dead give away). But it makes me wonder if Zelena somehow tricked Hook into doing something back in the EF that he is ashamed of and THAT is really the big thing he doesn’t want anyone to know about. I feel like we have a very conflicted Hook in 3B – like he so badly wants to be Killian Jones again but doesn’t feel worthy of it, his confidence in himself has massively decreased even though his confidence in Emma is stronger than it’s ever been. It just seems like something major had to have happened for him to start doubting himself when he was so confident in Neverland that he could go back to being Killian Jobes again – he was able to fight off Pan’s temptations in order to go back to the man he wanted to be. But it seems like something happened that broke HIM. Only Emma is going to be able to fix it. I hope we find out what it was this week.
April 24, 2014 at 9:50 am #263471ellemo78ParticipantBut it makes me wonder if Zelena somehow tricked Hook into doing something back in the EF that he is ashamed of and THAT is really the big thing he doesn’t want anyone to know about.
I’d had a similar thought about Hook knowing Zelena in the EF, and that he hadn’t seen her in SB until she deceived him as Ariel. But that reveal of her knowing his ‘dirty little secret’ seemed like the first conversation they’d ever had. And that particular secret was the only thing she had on him and she’s now played that card. I’m sure she would have gloated over him if she had managed to make him do something in the EF he was ashamed of. Zelena is a definitely gloating kind of a gal.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
April 24, 2014 at 9:54 am #263472callmeLolaParticipantHad to repost this cause I was thinking the same thing TEEEHEEEE!!!!!
http://captaincalahaan.tumblr.com/post/83645877206/id-cast-the-same-spell-on-him-if-i-could-do-it
April 24, 2014 at 10:05 am #263475obisgirlParticipant@JimHalterman Thanks for the vids esp Colin & Jen's (Emma/Hook), its was adorable, also is there still more to the interview? #CaptainSwan
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https://twitter.com/JimHalterman/status/442141359101599744
This is from the TV Fanatic interview, around the time the cast would have been filming 3×19. And we will be seeing 3×19 this coming Sunday.
April 24, 2014 at 10:05 am #263476lumee23Participant@rumplegoldfan – Yeah that is why I do somewhat buy into the Hook cast the curse theory despite my quibbles. He seems very secretive/suspicious in some ways. I don’t think the table bump was purposeful though like some think… what Cora could reveal about his past year is questionable at best.
Based on this recent episode and Zelena apparently wanting to get rid of Eva in order to trigger her desired series of events does anybody have any thoughts/theories on why the time travel episodes seem to center around the time period Snow/Charming meet?
April 24, 2014 at 10:12 am #263478callmeLolaParticipantI keep harking back to the comment Hook made to Emma in 312, something along the lines of “WE don’t know what the side effect of this curse is” (sorry, can’t remember the exact quote), but he did in fact say WE so someone else has to either be in the know, or in collusion with him in casting the curse. I don’t really believe Hook had the wherewithal to cast this particular curse because he’s not magical. I still believe he found another way to escape the curse that brought him here, and that’s where the JR comes in. My first inclination on reading that Philora were going to be on 319 was that they cast the curse in order to get rid of the WW from the EF and maybe sacrificed Mulan to do it but I don’t think the show would go there (even though it would explain her absence).
@rumplegoldfan” So I am now pretty much convinced it was a “good guy” who either enacted the curse to get back to Emma because she is the only one whose magic is strong enough to defeat her or they came back to SB along with a protection spell for the baby and Zelena is now trying to break the protection spell. The only thing I’m not sure about is whether the protection spell would actually be considered a “curse” – I know the memory loss is bad but is it a side effect of the protection spell? It would seem odd to have TLK break a protection spell. That would be something good breaking something that is also good. Unless the protection spell was just part of the curse that brought them back to SB and erased their memories.”I’m really liking this train of thought. Maybe that’s why they sent Hook to NYC, because if whoever cast the curse knew the price would be memory loss, then they would need TLK to break it. But why then did Zelena retain her memories if she was part of the curse and not the one who cast it? UGH! WE NEED ANSWERS ALREADY!!!!
April 24, 2014 at 10:29 am #263484obisgirlParticipantthe only problem the idea with Hook casting the curse, is that he would need to sacrifice the heart of the thing he loves the most. And the Jolly Roger isn’t a person, so who’s heart would he sacrifice?
I was listening to the Captain Swan podcast yesterday and I think Serena said, maybe Aurora sacrificed her baby’s heart but omg, that’s really, really dark, even for OUAT.
I still think maybe Zelena was the one who cast the curse and the heart she most likely used was her adoptive father, even though he didn’t love her back — he was the only family she had left that she cared enough about. And it definitely wasn’t Rumple’s heart.
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@JimHalterman Thanks for the vids esp Colin & Jen's (Emma/Hook), its was adorable, also is there still more to the interview? #CaptainSwan
— ⚓ (@LNS_8) March 8, 2014
https://twitter.com/JimHalterman/status/442141359101599744
This is from the TV Fanatic interview, around the time the cast would have been filming 3×19. And we will be seeing 3×19 this coming Sunday.
https://twitter.com/JimHalterman/status/459330434887733248
April 24, 2014 at 1:22 pm #263525lumee23ParticipantSneak Peek!!
Eek! Hook tied up in a car! Rumple probably liked being “forced” to do that job 😛 Nothing really informative in that sneak peek though.
April 24, 2014 at 1:54 pm #263539Jenna_BParticipantI think I’ve settled on the idea that Reginaand Snowing cast the curse as a means of protection. Maybe they had enoigh time to basicallly recast it but not enough time to tweak it so they did lose their memories.
I feel like there’s more going dowm with Hook and Neal. I’m not convinced Neal’s memories were gone , more like skewed because he’s sharing a body with dear old dad. It just seemed like Hook and Neal’s conversation had more subtext we just don’t have all of the pieces to understand fully yet.
No wait new theory. Zelena did cast the curse. She needs Snowing’s baby..and other creepy stuff for the master plan…it certainly would be a lot easier to get the ingredients from people when they have no idea what shes planning. The heart…not sure but we definitley don’t have her entire backstory so we may not even have met the person she loves the most’s heart…ok thats the theory I’m stickong to!!!
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