Why did Rumpel want the curse to happen?

[darcyfarrow]

A good question, Celesstarr! Maybe his change of mind has come gradually, as he's come to see that Regina is still wrecking people's lives--wonder if Gold knows what she did to Graham? Maybe we'll get insight into his feelings about Storybrooke, Regina, Emma, and his own life once he starts seeing Hopper. So far, Gold's had no one to express his opinions and feelings to.

[Lorem Ipsum]

Rumple has a knack for knowing what people want before they ask him. He could have foreseen someone (the EQ?) wanting a dark curse. Created it to his benefit and by having the EQ enact it he forgoes the consequences of when it is broken. He returns to human form in FTL and destroys the EQ at the same time.

I think Maleficient knew about the "void" because she read/studied the curse even though she didn't enact it. I think Maleficient understood the curse better because her judgement wasn't clouded by vengeance. She has a more objective outlook than the EQ.

[EnchantedOne]

Lorem I totaly agree with you...I think that Rumple was grateful that he saved his son but probably wanted to undo the curse ASAP afterward. I think he saw this curse as a way to get rid of the queen, and undo his curse all at the same time.

[Rumpel Sylph's Kin]

Hi all. I'm new and haven't read to far into the forum yet, so apologies if I'm repeating. Has anyone commented on the origin of Baelfire's name? A Baelfire (also called Belfire or Balefire and many other similar words) is a large bonfire lit annually in medieval Ireland at Beltane (May Day) to celebrate spring, the dawning of a new year, the resurrection of nature, optimism, fertility, etc. In traditional Celtic culture, each home's hearth fire was re-lit annually during Beltane from the bonfire as part of the ritual. From this standpoint, I'm thinking Baelfire may have died in the Ogre war he went to fight to get away from his now beastly father, or worse, that Rumple inadvertently caused his death, and that he created the curse to rebirth him. I'm thinking Baelfire will have a spectacular purpose, re-igniting the hearth of FTL or some such as he returns. It was mentioned that perhaps a reversal of time will result from Rumple's plan. That could be the way.

Another way could be in a sort of reincarnation? Perhaps when a FTL character dies, he is born in our world. Recall that Henry was born in Phoenix, which suggests his father may have lived there. The phoenix is found in the mythologies of Arabian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Chinese, and even Indian people. It lives for like 1000 years, then builds itself a fiery nest on which it sits to be fiercely burned and reduced to ashes, from which a new, young phoenix arises, perpetually repeating the cycle.

I believe part of Rumple's purpose is redemption for himself, and nullification of EQ's power. How? The plot is certainly thickening.

If this is where we're headed, the next question then is, who is Baelfire? The 7-year-old local kid who found Emma? Potentially he ends up being Henry's father. Potentially this is the stranger in town, August, who speaks of lemurs (named after spirits or ghosts in Roman mythology) in Nepal with eyes that reflect light, and he says the prayer temples are overrun with ghosts. Reincarnation is a give in Buddhism and Hinduism, the religions practiced in Nepal.

Who August is is its own more expansive post, but despite my comment, I don't really think he is Baelfire, who I do think is Henry's father, or for one, Emma would recognize him (nor do I think he is Pinocchio, as it seems many people here believe -- too obvious for one thing). So I'm thinking we haven't met Baelfire yet in our world. But I do think he is Rumpel's reason for creating the curse and tricking EQ into enacting it.

[Lorem Ipsum]

I re-watched the episode where Rumple becomes the dark one and Bael doesn't leave to fight the ogre wars. It ends with Rumple asking his son if he is afraid and Bael answering yes. From the pics posted for this upcoming episode, Rumple and Bael are together so Bael is still around in FTL (at this point). And Rumple has the dagger so no one can control him. I too agree with other posters that the dagger is what Rumple buried in the woods and I think August finds it. Who besides Bae would know what that dagger is and its purpose? I think the true love potion that Rumple made out of Snow and Charming's hair is part of the curse. The part that breaks it. The hairs joined together when he made the potion and together they had a child, the savior. But there is definitely a backdoor in that curse for Rumple and for Bae I believe.

[Surayya]

I with most others on the fact Rumple wanted the "curse to end all curses" to happen for the largest part in order to end his own curse, as currently his only way out is to be killed & pass the curse to another (Ill be clear here- I dont think he'd care about passing it on, its the killed bit he dont like ).
Also because of the whole, he who holds the dagger, controls the cursed one, he pretty much will be living in constant danger of someone getting their hands on that dagger & therefore his free will - thats gotta get old after a while - unlimited power but at anytime able to be totally controlled by any random who holds the dagger.
I have a feeling Rumple & Regina go a ways back, as they seem to be on a pretty equal footing in fairy tale land & well theres no love lost, they do seem to have (an all be it begrudging) respect for each other. I think Rumps knows the one person who would track him down After his curse is broken & make his life hell is the evil queen- she never seems to just let people move on once she's crossed their path or it could just be he saw in her the desperate soul he needed, who was driven enough to use the curse & ultimately pay the price.
My take on Rumple & the Evil Queen is this- in the belle/rump heavy ep, towards the end rumps states to regina she'll "never be more powerful than him" nor will she "ever win against him" - to me it'd be just like rumps to take his best opportunity to oust Regina by setting her up to fail (he knows the 1 thing that'll make her somewhat malleable- her revenge of Snow)- when he talked deals with her re MM & murder, He never actually stated "I will ensure MM is convicted of Murder" nor "MM WILL leave town" All he stated was the possibility of it- very cleaver wording by the writers IMO (we can only assume what we saw was what was said at this point), as everyone seems to think he did make a fail-safe deal with Regina, when we all know Rumps NEVER makes a deal he doesnt benefit from directly & from the Rumps/Belle ep He clearly is playing a game of power with EQ, Enjoys & Wants to Win it.
What would be better than having the evil queen being destroyed well removing/breaking his curse - he would also no longer be branded a coward either, but a hero by all FT land- that last was just an icing on the cake thought I had lol

[mujie]

Hmm...

I have a feeling we were told how he created the Dark Curse.

"If you can bottle love, you can do anything."

[rumplegoldfan]

I think the love of a child is a pivotal key to the breaking of the curse and the difference between how their respective curses have affected Rumple and the EQ.

Gold has talked to both Emma about how important it is to spend time with your child because they will be gone before you know it, and he has talked to Regina about never underestimating what a person is capable of when they believe thay are acting in the best interest of their child. As we have seen, comments made on this show rarely have only one meaning and those comments point to multiple characters on the show. I think that Rumple was so deeply affected by his relationship with Bae that although he became the Dark One he was able to maintain an element of humanity that we saw with Belle and it appears we will see with Bae according to the photos for the next episode. However when the EQ became cursed she didn't yet have a child to love in that kind of a sacrificial way so she wasn't able to maintain any of her humanity.

I still think that, regardless of what we have seen so far, part of Gold's/Rumple's plan is to also help redeem EQ/Regina - and that providing her with a child was part of the plan because she needs to be able to experience a sacrificial love. I do think that it will be especially significant that the child is SW's grandson and the biological child of the savior.

[darcyfarrow]

Hmm, what do you suppose would happen if the dagger were to be destroyed?

[mia]

I don't think the dagger can be destroyed or if it can only in a very special way. The thing with magical weapons – and the dagger is one hell of a magical object – is that they are either indestructible or nearly so. They often need a special, complex, dangerous method to break.
In my opinion the Dark One's dagger can only be destroyed by lifting the Dark One of his curse, however you do that. Lifting the curse will turn the magical dagger into a normal dagger.

This is just an assumption and there are no references in any episode. I like the subgenre fantasy and it often plays out like that. Either a very complex way to destroy it or some way to make it ineffective …