“Manhattan” – ONCE082

February 21, 2013 by 12 Comments

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Emotions are high at this long-awaited family reunion! What is Cora’s true plan? Does Henry have magic? Is Baelfire really Peter Pan?

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  • http://twitter.com/celiaescamilla_ Celia Escamilla

    About the music of this episode, funny fact, it was the same music background in the “I can cross the town line” in The Outsider episode. :)

  • ivy

    So I don’t know much about literature but I’ve been searching for the names on the books and the brown book and the yellow book both have the name Venturi Brown P.Venturi and Yellow G.Venturi. So I didn’t found any books from a G.Vennturi or P.Venturi what I did found was that Paolo G. Venturi is an Art Director Production Designer and works on Visual Effects and his works include TV mini series such as Alice, Tin Man and Andromeda http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0003516/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1 Also S.B Edwards it is also an Art Director Production Designer And her works include Percy Jackson and the Olympians, Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer and Supernatural http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1029219/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1 So this may or may not be something I’m not use to catch up on details like this so it may be nothing but any way is curious

  • http://www.facebook.com/tabitha.schultz.904 Tabitha Schultz

    Hello! I have a [[really weird and probably easily disproven]] theory as to who “Her” is.Maybe she’s Dorothy from The Wizard of Oz.In 2×5″The Doctor,”Rumple said,”What about the slippers?”
    JEFFERSON:Ah.Couldn’t find ‘em.Heard talk they’d already moved to another land.
    RUMPLE:That’s what I needed to *get* to that other land!
    Now as far as I know,the only slippers I that I know of that can transport between worlds are the Ruby slippers.Now what if Dorothy was originally from our land.She was ripped away to the land of Oz(which theoretically turns out to be real and not a dream).Rumple heard of those slippers and asked Jefferson to find them along with that magic ball(what did he want that for anyway?to visualize what our world looked like maybe????);but Dorothy had already come back to our world(or there’s world parallel to ours that’s perpetually in 1900,but instead of returning to her own world she came here???If that’s true then what I’m about to say next is dumb ).I assume that our world was what Rumple was referring to when he said “that other land”?????Or maybe Her is another witch(the Wicked Witch of the South!Lol) who stole the slippers and came here either inadvertently or on purpose.This theory highly depends on “Her”‘s reaction to the video Greg sent her(we the audience have to know her reaction somehow for the sake of suspense).If she thinks he’s losing his marbles or posts it on the internet in utter astonishment or urges Greg to find out more,that indicates she is an ordinary woman.On the other hand,if we later find out she’s got a secret agenda and is in reality totally unsurprised by magic,we know she’s from another world.Besides the Dark Curse and the “bridge”from Neverland,the only thing I know for sure that can transport between magical and unmagical(?) realms are the slippers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tabitha.schultz.904 Tabitha Schultz

    In the podcast,you guys mentioned whether or not there was any significance to the sewer grate on which Rumple steps on as he gets out of the taxi.I think it’s possible that the writers did that as a joke–there’s a Crocodile on a New York sewer grate as opposed to an alligator in the underground sewers

    • http://twitter.com/queen_frostine Diana

      I love this idea!

  • http://twitter.com/queen_frostine Diana

    I don’t think Emma was lying to Neal when she told him she wore the keychain he gave her as a reminder never to trust anyone. It’s a big deal to have someone who you loved and trusted betray you in the way she was betrayed. Knowing what we do of Emma’s character, it wouldn’t surprise me if she wore the keychain as a way of punishing herself for ever trusting him and maybe for even still loving a guy who broke her heart. It would be a painful reminder to her every time she looked in the mirror to never forget and never forgive, even if part of her may want to. That seems like something Emma would do.

    I really don’t think Bae is Peter Pan. While I will admit that the “more years than you know” line threw me off, I think it would overly complicate the storyline of how Rumple came to create the curse if Bae’s original destination and the curse’s destination weren’t one and the same. We know that Rumple knew which world and what time he expected his son to be in, because even before the curse was finished he was sending Jefferson to look for a pair of ruby slippers that could take him here. There’d be no reason to be looking for the shoes if the time and destination were still unknown. It would be a really big stretch for him to coincidentally pick the right “world without magic” (since according to Jefferson in Hat Trick, there are an infinite number of worlds and only some of them have magic) and the right moment in time, if he didn’t know for sure when and where Bae was being sent. Or for Bae to just wind up in the world his father mistakenly believed he was sent to, at the time his father was looking for him, if he hadn’t been there all along.

    Also I think that while the bean took Bae through time and space as Rumple has said, the curse only took everyone through space. I believe this because our world and Fairy Tale World appear to be on the same timeline. In Queen of Hearts, Cora said to Hook that they’d have to wait 28 years for the curse to break, and all of the scenes thereafter from the Enchanted Present clearly share a timeline with our world since they were able to communicate back and forth, That should mean that only 28 years has passed in both worlds since the curse began. If that’s true then rather than Rumple designing the curse so that it brings him to the time that his son would be, he could have just waited until around the time that he expected his son to land to have his curse cast. That seems like a much simpler curse to build than multiple bouts of time travel that all arrive at the same destination. Which would again mean that Rumple knew when Bae was set to arrive in our world, which wouldn’t work with the Peter Pan theory.

    Then again, I hated the Neal is Baelfire theory largely because of all of the holes in that theory (holes that the writers just decided to wave away by invoking fate, which I really hate as it’s too lazy of a copout for good storytelling) so what do I know? I may be more anal about plotline consistency than the writers are themselves.

    PS I hate coffee too! Hate the taste, hate the smell. I don’t even like coffee ice cream.

  • Chloelovers

    Maybe fairytale creatures age diffrently in a land without magic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/JeffChilds Jeff Childs

    Neverland had no magic except for Tinkerbell, who needed fairy dust to do magic.
    Neil could be a lost boy but not Peter Pan.

  • Mike

    The CTV promo for the next episode shows a couple of different scenes, most important of which is one with Neal and Emma where Emma asks “You know Hook?” after Hook shows up and stabs Rumpel, and Neal responds, “This world wasn’t my first stop when I left home. If it was I’d be a couple hundred years old by now.”

    Say hello to Peter Pan.

  • Dream_Drop_Distance

    I personally think the Seer was creepier as a little girl, but you know… Put scars on anyone’s face and they’ll look scary.

  • WendyBird

    I am a fan of the idea that Neal/Baelfire spent some time in Neverland. I don’t think I Iwant him to be Peter Pan himself, but to be a lost boy. The reason I like it, is because that would mean that Hook and Bae possibly had some interaction and will have a history together. I would like it even better if instead of being enemies in Neverland, that they bonded–possibly because of the fact that Bae’s mom was Hook’s true love Mila. Or if he doesn’t know that the lost boy Bae was Rumple/Mila’s son and later finds out in Storybrooke, it might make it harder for him to kill Rumple.

    I think people from magical lands are attracted to eachother which would explain why Emma/Neal met. It could also explain how Bae ended up in Neverland—he may have been brought together with Peter Pan on one of his visits to our world due to this connection. Also, perhaps on one of August’s adventures, he could have been brought together with a lost boy/Peter Pan and maybe have met Bae or heard of Bae’s story, thus explaining how he knew that Neal was Baelfire.

    Another thought is that since Hook is kind of Bay’s stepfather (was there divorce in fairytale land?), it would make Henry be Hook’s step-grandson. Just another complication in the tangled family tree!!