ONCE045: Enchanted Forest, Baelfire, Henry’s classmates, and season 2 spoilers

July 25, 2012 by 9 Comments
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Maybe only the “enchanted forest” characters were cursed, a spin on Henry as Baelfire’s son, Henry’s place in schoo,  and some season two spoilers.

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“The Enchanted Forest”

After rewatching the pilot, we realized the intro text specifically said that all of the characters of the “enchanted forest,” not necessarily all fairy tale characters. So we think “fairy tale land” encompasses many worlds (or “realms”), and only the Enchanted Forest was cursed.

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  • Rumpelstiltskin/Mr. Gold
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Mr. Gold had a different motivation for finding Henry?

Hi, ONCE podcasters,

If Baelfire is Henry’s father, and Gold somehow knew that, then there would have been a double-incentive to make sure that the child Regina adopted was Henry. I had been operating under the assumption that the idea to adopt a kid came solely from Regina – still trying to fill that hole – and when she went to Gold to make a deal for a quick and possibly shady adoption, he seized the opportunity and got Henry. I figured that Gold had always had a few ideas about how to bring Emma to Storybrooke, and Henry was just the one that presented itself. But now I’m starting to reconsider; maybe Gold managed to discover Baelfire’s location, and was kind of keeping tabs on him, but couldn’t leave Storybrooke to go find him. Maybe after Henry was born, Gold put the idea of adopting a child into Regina’s head (after all, she had been in Storybrooke for 18 years before then) so that he could bring Henry to Storybrooke. He knew the saviour would come there on her 28th birthday – he told Snow that in the dungeon – so he didn’t worry about needing to make sure Emma would arrive. He got Henry because he wanted to have a link to Baelfire; something that might make Baelfire come to Storybrooke someday. Or something. I don’t know.

That’s my crackpot theory, and I’d love to hear your thoughts. You all do such a fabulous job with the podcast; I listen to it at work, and it makes the day go by so much faster! Thank you for all your hard work!!

Best wishes,

Molly

This is a great theory, Molly! We remember Gold saying he has travel plans after the curse is broken, so maybe he knows exactly where Baelfire is.

I was wondering about Henry and his schooling… How did that work if he was the only kid who aged in the entire town? Did he go to kindergarten, make friends, then go onto first grade by himself? Then he had to do the same thing in first grade, and second, and third… He had to know something was seriously wrong when the kids he went to his first day of school with were still in kindergarten. What explanation did Regina tell him? Did the kids he used to be in class with remember him? I can defintily see how he could so easily believe in the curse. For him it was either believe in that book or think he was going crazy.
It’s no wonder the poor kid didn’t have any friends.

Kasey Thacker

Kitsis and Horowitz have said that Henry didn’t have many friends, since he’s the mayor’s son. But at some point, he started realizing his classmates weren’t aging and he found answers in the storybook.

Dr. Whale episode and summer schedule

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1508087481 Jed Joseph Anderson

    I really think that Emma with Baelfire could add a really interesting romance dynamic, especially if Mr. Gold continues being a villain in the show.

    • http://DanielJLewis.net/about Daniel J. Lewis

      Definitely! Imagine if Mr. Gold doesn’t want the romance, or maybe he does!

  • http://twitter.com/JordanOsborne7 Jordan Osborne

    I think Snow’s comment in episode 1 has a future purpose, or if it was a mistake it can be easily fixed. What if Snow lied??? OMG! I know what you’re thinking…Snow would never do that, right. But, what if the “she poisoned me because she thought I was prettier than her” story was Snow’s way of placating Charming without actually telling him the truth of why Regina hates Snow. The story we all thought we knew was Snow’s lie to Charming. She didn’t want Charming to know the truth that she caused Daniel’s death, so she made something up. This is possible too because she doesn’t want her true love to look at her differently. This would be an interesting story line in season 2 when storybrooke Charming realizes Snow was lying to him the entire time…can we say more trust issues!
    Also, help me out here. I still can’t figure out if James is Charming’s real name or if it was his twin brother’s name. Has anybody solved this question?

    • http://DanielJLewis.net/about Daniel J. Lewis

      That theory makes a lot of sense, Jordan! I’ll share this on an upcoming podcast.

      No, we never learned “Prince Charming’s” real name. My guess is it was David, even though that’s his Storybrooke name, because David was a Biblical shepherd who killed a giant for his kingdom and then rose to power. OUaT’s enchanted forest “David” was a shepherd who killed a dragon for his kingdom and then rose to power.

  • Melanie

    I think Snow’s comment about Regina’s motive in the pilot can be explained. Jordan’s explanation may be better than mine but here’s my explanation.

    Perhaps Snow thought that Regina tried to kill her because she
    was prettier. There is the scene in the Fruit of the Poisonous Tree where Snow’s Dad says to a whole crowd of people Regina included that Snow is “the fairest in all the land.” I got the impression that it wasn’t the first time Snow’s Dad had made that comment.

    Snow was young when Daniel died and Regina said he ran away.
    If Snow didn’t know Regina’s true reason for hating her the prettier
    reason would make sense plus it ties into the original fairy tale.

    • http://DanielJLewis.net/about Daniel J. Lewis

      That’s a good thought, but remember in “An Apple Red as Blood,” Queen Regina told Snow exactly why she hated her and that Snow deserved to die. Chronologically, this happened before the war-council scene in the pilot, so Snow knew exactly why Regina tried to kill her.

      Additionally, it was as early as the second episode, “The Thing You Love Most,” that Regina said (to Maleficent), “the thing I loved died because of Snow.” And a couple episodes later, more specifically said, as Mayor Regina in “The Shepherd,” that the man she had loved was ripped from her.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kasey.thacker Kasey Thacker

      Maybe it was simply the rumor the common people believed and Snow was sarcastically repeating it?

  • Molly

    I really liked hearing what you guys had to say about my “Gold picked Henry because he knows Henry is Bae’s son” theory. All good points! I can’t wait to see what happens in season 2… I’m dying to know the truth!

    I like Jordan Osborne’s comment about Snow maybe lying to Charming about the apple situation; if the writers decide not to pursue the “fairest of them all” side of the story, that’s a good out for them. But Melanie also has a good point about the Fruit of the Poisonous Tree episode, where King Leopold made that comment to Snow about her being the fairest. It certainly seemed that some small part of Regina was genuinely hurt that her husband was singing the praises of his first wife in front of a room of people, and completely ignoring Regina. I think she was definitely play-acting some for the genie, but I think part of it was real too. So it makes sense that the whole “fairest of them all” thing is probably part of her grudge against Snow: “You caused the death of my true love, which forced me to marry this old dude that I am not interested in AT ALL, who has no problem publicly humiliating me in front of a ballroom full of fancy dinner guests by completely ignoring me and blabbing about how great his dead wife was and how you’re just as great as she is. And did I mention that you caused the death of my true love? Well, you did.” I think that it is possible for the writers to include that part of the story this coming season, especially since we now know that Bailee Madison will return as mini-Snow. But I get the feeling that there were some things that were initially planned for the series that the writers decided to drop (like Mary Margaret being a nun), and after the pilot, that particular reason for the poison apple was never mentioned again. So they might decide to go with Snow lying to Charming about it at the wedding, or just drop it completely and hope that people forget about it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1508087481 Jed Joseph Anderson

    I am so happy, I have work off tomorrow! I get to listen to the live podcast :D :D