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So now we know why Regina hates Snow. I’m just wondering if people were satisfied with the explanation. I don’t want to be a nay-sayer, but I guess I was just expecting something a little more dramatic that would lead someone to want to curse the whole world. I get that Regina blamed Snow for ruining her chance to be happy with Daniel. And I can see that leading her to try to have Snow poisoned or her heart ripped out, or even to kill James when she found out Snow was in love with him. But the collateral damage of this curse is pretty much everybody. I assume we are going to see Regina become increasingly bitter as time goes on, but still, it seems like more than just an overreaction. Maybe we will see Cora feed Regina’s anger to make sure she not only could never forgive Snow, but that she will never be weakened by love ever again.
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[adrotate group="5"]It was lovely. Most people would figure out just by watching the past episodes what happened between Snow and Regina, but I was satisfied and learned one new detail. That Snow was misguided and only wanted to help. That’s why she revealed the secret.
The real draw here was the guest stars. One of the strengths of this show is getting great guest stars, especially when we might not see any of the actors from the flashback again. They carried their weight well and delivered.
In particular, Bailee Madison did a great job as the younger version of Snow White. Child actors are very hit or miss and she hit all the marks and stood her ground with some very accomplished actors. It’s unlikely that we’ll see her again on this show, but I look forward to seeing her on other projects.
I thought they had a good explanation that Snow had lost her mother so that she didn’t want Regina to lose hers. Snow just didn’t realize that Regina’s mother was evil.
I posted on another thread that I think we are missing some other details of the story. I think this is only the beginning of the story. I have the feeling that the reason Regina has harbored so much resentment isn’t entirely because of Daniel’s death. Over that past few episode’s I have felt like I have seem slight moments of regret in Regina of being stuck with being evil – but because she IS evil – those moments are EXTREMELY brief. I think what she is REALLY resentful of is being evil in and of itself. I think that she really blames her mother for Daniel’s death and I think we saw that at the end of the episode. After Regina’s voice changed, she turned back to her mother and realized that the whole thing had been set up by her mother – Snow’s horse taking off was because of her mother’s magic. It sounds like Cora goes to the Castle with Regina. I think Regina kills her mother and inherits her evilness and then ends up blaming Snow for THAT because after she has killed her mother for Daniel’s death she turns her vengence onto Snow, and then recognizes the person she has become. Remember the scene before she decides to rip her father’s heart out? It’s like she has become obsessed – her whole life has become an obsession – and the only person left to blame it on is Snow. By that point she has killed the King as well. I think we will see some other things happen as well. Because Snow seemed to love Regina and was excited about getting a new mother. Yet in later episodes at the castle she seemed almost oblivious to the fact that fact that Regina was there – so something happened that made them almost unaware of each other.
rumplegoldfan has awesome points and I feel a bit better now about last nights episode. I was too disturbed to think it through.
I’m happy with finally finding out how Snow made her angry, but satisfied? Not so much. I watched the episode again earlier, and I realized that the root of Regina’s anger towards Snow isn’t just Daniel’s death-she knows it was her mother that killed him. It was that she thinks Snow told her mother while knowing exactly what would happen (losing Daniel vs. losing her mom).
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I guess I was just expecting something a little more dramatic that would lead someone to want to curse the whole world. I get that Regina blamed Snow for ruining her chance to be happy with Daniel. And I can see that leading her to try to have Snow poisoned or her heart ripped out, or even to kill James when she found out Snow was in love with him. But the collateral damage of this curse is pretty much everybody.
You’re right-in Regina’s pursuit of “justice,” she’s run over so many other people who had nothing to do with Daniel’s death just to get her revenge on this one person whom I’m sure Regina knows was being manipulated!
I’m sure that the actors enjoyed having that portion of the episode off.
ETA I can’t imagine Regina was terribly thrilled with Snow having a Hapilly Ever After with a stable boy. Of a sort.
Great analysis rumplegoldfan. I like the idea that Regina blames Snow not only for losing her love, but for who she became as a result. Even she recognizes that she has done “unspeakable things.” I have heard a lot of speculation that Regina will end up killing Cora, and I think this is a good bet. What if Regina’s line of thinking goes basically, “Snow prompted my mother to destroy my love and break my heart. This caused me to kill my mother, and what kind of monster kills her own mother? A=B, B=C…..Snow made me kill my mother and turned me into a monster (or my mother, which is the same thing).” Twisted logic to be sure, but I think it fits Regina’s thinking. Following that thought, Snow also caused Regina to killer her father, whom she did love, and who loved her. This was after she had already decided to enact the curse, but I can still see Regina putting that on Snow.
I would love to see Regina admit to all of this at some point. Maybe Snow herself, or Emma, confronts Regina (once it is all out in the open) and says, “You did all of this just because you lost your love? Do you think you are the only person who ever had a broken heart?” And Regina says, “Of course not. I used to be a good person and now my heart is a blackened little cinder and I kill without a thought, even people I care about. That is what she did to me.”
Overall, this episode was satisfying. It explained why Regina became corrupted in the first place: by losing her true love, she lost her heart. Recall how when Snow White drank a potion to forget her true love, her heart became slightly darkened. It also made SW vengeful and desirous to kill Regina (until Prince Charming saved SW from that dark fate). I think that is a pretty good hint that Regina will be driven to kill her mother, Cora, and why she poisoned an apple to kill SW. I think that Regina was the victim of her mother’s malicious ways. Also, her mother ripping out Daniel’s heart is a clear indicator of where Regina learned how to rip out Graham’s heart. That was a pretty creepy parallel of “like mother, like daughter.” Sadly, I think her relationship with Cora darkened Regina’s understanding of how to be a good mother-figure to SW.
Of course, there is no justification for Regina to take out her pain on all of the Enchanted Forest. In becoming evil, though, she probably lost her ability to empathize at all for others’ suffering. It’s as she has lost the value for other human lives, even taking the life of her own father. That shows just how depraved she’d become by then. I think once she chose to go down that darkened road, there was no going back, just like Rumplestiltskin warned would happen to SW if she killed Regina.
I agree that we’ve only just seen part of the story. I don’t think we’ve seen Regina be publicly humiliated yet. The only possibility I can think of is in episode 10 when King Leopold clearly ignored his wife, Queen Regina, and publicly praised SW’s beauty in his court by calling her the “fairest in all the land.” King Leopold gave the praised Regina so desired to his daughter instead. That, on top of SW divulging Regina’s secret, probably helped to resolve Regina’s hatred all the more. I still think there was something else that happened though between Regina’s marriage to Leopold and her killing him that solidified her evilness. Even Regina couldn’t have just become a murderous villain overnight. Daniel’s murder was just the trigger that must have led to further evil acts.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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