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April 20, 2012 at 10:57 am #134241SlurpeezParticipant
Once Upon a Time Scoop: Who Is the Stranger, Really?
Caution: Spoilers ahead. Read on only if you don’t mind reading spoilers.
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Jane-Espenson-Stranger-1046262.aspxThe mystery of who the Stranger is will soon be revealed on Once Upon a Time!
August W. Booth (Eion Bailey), a writer only initially known as “the Stranger,” made his way to Storybrooke earlier this season. His very presence is significant since the curse prevents people in the town from leaving, and apparently Emma (Jennifer Morrison) was the only outsider to come there before him.
His arrival — especially after he added pages to Henry’s fairy tale book — has sparked many debates as to who he actually is. Theories range from suggesting that he’s Rumplestiltskin’s son or perhaps Henry’s father to even his being an older version of Henry, which would be awkward since the Stranger is seemingly attracted to Emma, Henry’s mom. To get the scoop on who the Stranger is, TVGuide.com turned to writer and consulting producer Jane Espenson, who penned this upcoming Sunday’s episode “The Return” (8/7c, ABC) and also offers up some juicy teases for the Season 1 finale.
There are many theories out there about the Stranger. Our best guess is that he’s Pinocchio, based on the lemurs in Nepal clue – which proved he was a liar – and the sudden lockup of his (possibly wooden) leg. What can you say about the clues? Were they too obvious or are we assuming too much?
Jane Espenson: Those are definitely clues, but are they clues that we put in there so that you would later go, “Oh my God, it was Pinocchio!” or are those clues we put in there to make you think he’s Pinocchio when in fact, we’re planning an elaborate mislead. It’s very hard to say at this moment. I’ve seen the theory that he’s Maleficent (Kristin Bauer), which is fascinating! There’s more than one way to [give a] clue.You’re going to see Rumplestiltskin (Robert Carlyle) have his own theory about who he is, which raises questions of its own. If he were Rumplestiltskin’s son, wouldn’t the son recognize him, for example? But wait! Memories are gone! It gets very complicated. It’s a complicated mystery and we’re going to go a good way’s down the path towards solving it this Sunday.
Are there clues that you guys planted that fans have missed?
Espenson: I don’t think so, but sometimes people see clues that we didn’t intend. There’s a very interesting one that you see very early on in “The Return” episode. Look to see what August’s paperweight is. Keep an eye out for that.Could he have been the young boy who found her by the side of the road?
Espenson: That’s a very interesting question. We know from the newspaper headline that a 7-year-old found her on the side of the road. The age seems to work out; It could’ve been him, but we’ve got more than one character who’s about the right age for that to have been him.What can you tell us about this Sunday’s episode?
Espenson: The main drive is Rumplestiltskin trying to figure out who August is. At the same time, we’re seeing events of him in fairy tale land with his son, where the son doesn’t really approve of how his father is changing and is trying to make him take a different path. The cool thing is that really both of these memories exist at the same time in Mr. Gold’s head; he knows that he is pursuing August and he knows he is remembering his son because, unlike many of our characters, he actually remembers his previous life in fairy tale land. You’re actually going to see Mr. Gold go to Archie (Raphael Sbarge) the therapist, because he’s going to be quite shaken by what he’s learning. It’s going to shake him up a bit.A recent promo for upcoming episodes showed the town rallying against Regina (Lana Parrilla), who was tied to a tree, and it looked like her head was going to be taken off with a sword. What can you tell us about Storybrooke’s drive to figure out who they are and finally get out from under Regina’s reign?
Espenson: If this town ever figures out who they are, Regina is in trouble, and that’s exactly what you saw there, is the sort of trouble that might be in Regina’s future. As we head towards these last few episodes, the dominoes are going to start falling. This season finale is one of the best hours of TV I’ve ever seen. It blows the doors off. Garments of people’s clothing are going to fly off from the sheer force of their delight and surprise at what’s going to be revealed in the season finale. Nothing is held back. The next couple episodes are going to be carefully laying some groundwork for a big, big metaphorical explosion at the end of the year.How will August help the town in that regard?
Espenson: Whoever August is, he came from outside, which is fascinating, and he’s come with information. We saw him messing with Henry’s book. It sure looked to me like he was adding pages to Henry’s book, so I would look to Henry’s book for the way that he helps the town.What about the giant green wormhole that we also saw in an earlier version of that same promo? Where does that lead?
Espenson: Generally, portals on our show lead between lands. They lead between fairy tale land and our land, or between, as we saw, fairy tale land and Wonderland. There were a lot of doors down there, so it looks like there’s a lot of different lands you can get to.Now that we know Kathryn (Anastasia Griffith) is actually alive, how will that play out since Mary Margaret (Ginnifer Goodwin) had been accused killing her, but David (Josh Dallas) didn’t stand by her side?
Espenson: Returning Kathryn solves a lot of problems for David and Mary Margaret, in that Mary Margaret is not going to be subject to capital punishment, so that helps them. Your relationship is a lot better when one of you has not been executed for crimes they didn’t commit. But it doesn’t solve the big problem, which is that he did not stand behind her. This curse is making David make some pretty bad choices, if you ask me. They still have a lot to overcome. I would not expect them to tie it up all neatly in a single scene. I think they’re going to need a couple scenes to get through this, but I would suggest that by the end of the season, as a romantic, I like to think that true love tends to win on our show.[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
April 20, 2012 at 11:13 am #142964PheeParticipantThanks for posting the interview, slurpeez. 😀
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Those are definitely clues, but are they clues that we put in there so that you would later go, “Oh my God, it was Pinocchio!” or are those clues we put in there to make you think he’s Pinocchio when in fact, we’re planning an elaborate mislead. It’s very hard to say at this moment.
Do you think that part of the selection process to be a writer on this show is taking a course in, “how to answer a question without actually giving away any answers”? 😆
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Look to see what August’s paperweight is. Keep an eye out for that.
As if I wasn’t already impatient enough for the new ep.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
The cool thing is that really both of these memories exist at the same time in Mr. Gold’s head; he knows that he is pursuing August and he knows he is remembering his son because, unlike many of our characters, he actually remembers his previous life in fairy tale land.
Can’t wait to see what Robert does with this stuff. I’m predicting awesomeness!
@slurpeez108 wrote:
This season finale is one of the best hours of TV I’ve ever seen. It blows the doors off. Garments of people’s clothing are going to fly off from the sheer force of their delight and surprise at what’s going to be revealed in the season finale.
Good thing I’ll be watching it alone in the privacy of my own home then. 😉
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Returning Kathryn solves a lot of problems for David and Mary Margaret, in that Mary Margaret is not going to be subject to capital punishment, so that helps them. Your relationship is a lot better when one of you has not been executed for crimes they didn’t commit.
Indeed! 😆
April 20, 2012 at 12:01 pm #142974SlurpeezParticipantThe main thing Jane Esperson said that is driving me up the wall with wonder is:
There’s more than one way to [give a] clue.
What does that mean? Are we supposed to disregard the obvious and look for the extremely subtle?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
April 20, 2012 at 12:07 pm #142977hjbauParticipantI think she meant that a clue may just be a red herring which seems to be the case with this shows. All of the clues have been meaningless so far for the most part for all the characters. It always seems to me that they aren’t trying to make interesting hints in the show they are just trying to confuse the situation so a lot of the things are actually meaningless misdirection. We will see.
April 20, 2012 at 12:23 pm #142981PheeParticipant@slurpeez108 wrote:
The main thing Jane Esperson said that is driving me up the wall with wonder is:
There’s more than one way to [give a] clue.
What does that mean? Are we supposed to disregard the obvious and look for the extremely subtle?
Translation: “Anything could be a clue, the obvious stuff and all the other stuff you’re totally overlooking too. And stuff you think means one thing, could actually mean the opposite. Or stuff could actually mean what it obviously looks like and we’re just making you think that’s too obvious, so it can’t be true….but maybe it still is. Basically, y’all have no hope and are completely at the writers’ mercy. BWAHAHAHAHAA” 😛
April 20, 2012 at 12:26 pm #142982hjbauParticipantI actually don’t think that it is very good writing. I think the clues should always mean something and should not be an attempt to trick the audience. They shouldn’t do that. It is much more interesting to be able to figure out what is going on like oh i saw that clue then oh so none of that meant anything.
April 20, 2012 at 12:32 pm #142983Daniel J. LewisKeymasterAfter reading this interview, I think I’m in love with Jane Espensen. 😆 I’m praying to God that she’s right about certain clues. All of the clues that people are focusing on might be red herrings. But the writers probably want it that way. They want to throw us off.
And I think the episode will go like this: As Mr. Gold is remembering his life with his son in Fairytale land, he’ll slowly begin to believe that August is his son. The similar physical appearance and wounded leg will lead Mr. Gold to think that he’s Bae. Thinking that he’s Bae, Mr. Gold will try to warm up to August and gain his trust in the hopes of redeeming himself in his eyes. But in the end, it will be revealed that August is not Bael, but he is conencted to Bae in some way.
I think after Bae fell into the green vortex, he fell into Oz. The people proclaimed him the new wizard because he had Rumpel’s dagger. (I also a gree with the theory that Zoso is from Oz. I think Midnight Dreary said that). During his time in Oz he meets the Tin Man who later turns out to be August. I think August is a prelude to Baelfire coming to town.
April 20, 2012 at 12:42 pm #142984midnight drearyParticipantI actually love that the clues are either red herrings or at the very least, misinterpreted clues. Most people think that the “I am not a liar” clue pertains to Pinocchio, but maybe it’s really about Oz. Oz lied to his people about being a real wizard when in fact, he was just a normal man. Maybe that’s why he wants to kill Rumpel. If he kills Rumpel, then he’ll become a real wizard.
And I love that she actually listed a few of the fandom’s most popular theories. That kind of semi-confirms (at least in my head) that August is neither Bae or Pinocchio. I think the writers only want us to think that.
I think we have some big surprises coming up!
April 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm #142997goonieenvyParticipantI posted this on another post, but this sneak peek shows the paperweight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54VWs2u1fJI
April 20, 2012 at 2:44 pm #142999angiebelleParticipantGak! She is making me second guess my convictions! I really hope it’s not an elaborate mislead…..I *hate* when shows do that. I *hate* being fooled. I still think August is Pinocchio…about 90% sure, but for the record, that still leaves 10% for doubt.
And the paperweight is a woodcarving- still points to Pinocchio….but it’s also a wolf- which doesn’t..
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