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August 12, 2012 at 12:24 pm #134800nonnieParticipant
It has been shown that Rumple/ Gold developed the end of the curse by manipulating Snow / PC , Emma and even Regina.
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Blue Fairy is suppose to have been the start of all magic, the start of it all. If she set up Rumple by sending Bae off with the magic beans in order to lessen his magic or send him off in a quest, she is actually setting up all that follows.
So who is the real puppet master? Blue or Rumple?
Nonnie
[adrotate group="5"]August 12, 2012 at 1:07 pm #153007elleParticipantI don’t think The Blue Fairy wanted the curse in the first place, nor did she think that it was even possible for the curse to happen. She was pretty confident that Rumpelstiltskin would never be able to make it in the first place. She was even surprised when he came to reason that a curse would be a solution to finding Baelfire–she dismissed the notion that it could be done, that it was even beyond Rumpelstiltskin’s power. She was wrong, of course, but it is not the first time.
Nor do I think that she intentionally sent Baelfire with the magic bean to fail and be sent away. I think she thought that Baelfire’s word would be enough for Rumpelstiltskin.
August 12, 2012 at 1:36 pm #153008antbeeParticipantGood question.
Based on just how I think the show wants viewers to see the Blue Fairy and Keegan Connor Tracy’s most recent interview, I would say that I don’t think she’s a puppet master. I think the show tries to present her as someone that has to make choices, maybe not always the right ones, but generally working for the greater good.
However, based on the feelings I get while watching the Tracy’s acting in some scenes and what choices the show has had the Blue Fairy make, I can’t help wonder if she’s not really the puppet master behind Rumple.
I think the show wants us to only see her as a “good” character, so I should probably stop wondering about her true motives, but I just don’t like her character at all. It’s not only about liking Rumple as a character either because a lot of people, not all though, that defend the Blue Fairy think it is. I think Rumple was a coward, and it was his own fault that he lost his son. So I don’t blame her on Rumple not going with Bae. I do think she should have told Bae more about what would happen when he used the magic bean, but again it’s still all on Rumple that he was a coward and didn’t go with Bae. I also think that she should have straight out lied to Rumple that there was no way that he could ever reunite with Bae again because he got the whole Dark Curse idea from her. I’m not saying that he wouldn’t have still plotted the idea because he probably would have eventually, but that whole bean stuff is just bizarre to me because just going by the actress in those scenes. First she seems like wants Bae and Rumple gone for her own reasons after she gives Bae the bean. Then, she’s all ambiguous when she “accidentally” reveals to Rumple that a curse could reunite him with his son. Not to mention her little speech that she gives to Rumple about how she’s working for the greater good because every villain/”bad” person generally thinks that they are too. Finally, I don’t know what to think about her not introducing the idea of true love’s kiss to redeem Rumple either. It just seems so common as a cure at least judging by “Pilot”, “Skin Deep”, “What Happened to Frederick”, and “A Land Without Magic” that she could have suggested the idea first to Bae, but for now I won’t hold that against her because it could be just be the writing’s fault and not a fault of the character for not suggesting it to Bae first.
Even without the whole magic bean incident to make me suspicious of her there was “Dreamy”. That episode was probably one of my least favorites of the season, and besides introducing the idea that Rumple hates the fairies, it seemed like a lot of filler for one episode, imo. So maybe I started to read into things that weren’t really there, but it bothered me that the Blue Fairy was so against Dreamy and Nova as a couple. I can understand being concerned about Nova and Dreamy actually making it as a couple, but she took it too far imo. I don’t buy the excuse that she’s trying to prep Nova to be the next Head of the Fairies either because Nova seems so inept at her job, and there’s so many other fairies that surely there’s someone else that could be the next leader instead of Nova. As a “good” creature, I would have thought that she would have encouraged true love no matter who it was between because that kind of magic is so rare even in their world, but instead she put the kibosh on it. To me it just felt like she was more concerned about not losing any subordinates that worked for her and all about getting that fairy dust than actually being concerned about the feelings of Nova and Dreamy.
Then, there was “The Stranger” that sealed the deal for me. Again maybe it was the writing’s fault as to why Gepetto could have been the only one that could build the wardrobe despite the fact that the fairies are magical, and there’s surely a lot of other craftsmen that would have done the job much faster and without any kind of demands that would threaten their whole world, but no it had to be Gepetto. So she lies to Snow White and Prince Charming, even though previously she says fairies never lie. So my mild dislike of the Blue Fairy turned into full blown loathing after that episode.
I would think it would make a great plot twist if it did turn out all along that the Blue Fairy was the real puppet master behind everything because Fairy Tale Land was dying, and she needed to get to another world or some reason like that. I don’t think it will happen though because I think the show wants viewers to see her as a “good” but also flawed character, but for me I don’t think they did a good job of doing that because all I see now is the bad things she had done since for me she really hasn’t done enough for me to overlook those and focus on the positive things that she’s done. Sure she finally answered Jiminy’s wish, but that was only after he already helped turn Gepetto’s parents into puppets. She “helped” Bae, but then let his dad know that they could eventually be reunited through a curse. She also didn’t help stop the Ogre Wars, at all despite Morraine saying that she was more powerful than Rumple. She helps save Emma, but then lies to her parents about how many people can fit in the wardrobe, so baby Emma could have died which means everyone would have been doomed. She helps Snow attack King George’s castle, but that whole scene is probably one of the most cringe-worthy and cheesiest ever on this show, so far, so instead of showing something positive that the Blue Fairy has done, I found that whole thing embarrassing to watch.
August 12, 2012 at 3:20 pm #153011elleParticipantI think The Blue Fairy gets a lot more blame than she should. I agree with AntBee that what happened with Rumpelstiltskin and Baelfire is not her fault. I do think she should have gotten involved more in that case–she basically let a fourteen year old handle the Dark One. True, he is his father, but she knows how far he steeped in dark magic he was. But he was a coward nonetheless. A lot of fans also blame her for with Regina, but I don’t think she deserves that blame, either.
My dislike for her started with Jiminy–she finally appears before him after forty years–how many years had he wished for help? Did she not see how miserable he was? Then it grew in Dreamy, when she told him that he and Nova couldn’t be together. True Love has been stated to be powerful, to be able to create happiness. Every character has said postive things about True Love, and I doubt that The Blue Fairy does not know how powerful it is, and yet she looks down on it. Nor does she allow Nova to make that choice–it is hers if she wants to give up her powers and her future as a Fairy Godmother.
It finally increased in The Stranger, when she lies to Snow White and Prince Charming, and then takes back the deal with Gepetto. That was messy way to deal with both parties.
I don’t think The Blue Fairy has everything planned–I think she is an example of the limitations of good magic. She only had one magic bean left, there was only one magical tree left, and she could not turn Gepetto’s parents back to human but she could help Jiminy look after Gepetto. She–for some reason–could not help the children in the wars, though perhaps the price would have been too high.
August 12, 2012 at 3:55 pm #153012JosephineParticipantFirst off, I don’t think Rumple is the true puppet master. He is a big one. He orchestrated the removal of everyone from the Enchanted Forrest to this world just to find his son. He manipulated someone else to enact the curse, and he used others’ true love for each other to his benefit. But I think there is something else going on…and right now the only thing we have to go on is The Blue Fairy.
I think it’s odd that the Blue Fairy is considered the Original Power, and yet has no access to the most powerful magic of all. It’s been established that Fairies can’t fall in love and have a true love, but like you guys have mentioned that it’s been said repeatedly that True Love has the power to break any curse, transcend realms. So the Blue Fairy isn’t really the most powerful thing, is she, if you follow that reasoning?
Plus, like AntBee mentioned, I think the Enchanted Forrest was dying, too. There were no more magic beans, only one last enchanted tree, and it seems to me that the the “fairy dust” the dwarfs mine for is a non-renewable resource. I wonder how many dwarf mines were actually closed at this point. We see Rumple being held prisoner in one in the pilot and our dwarfs are no longer mining at that point.
So she’s for the greater good, but what is good about sending children off to war against creatures that adults can’t defeat. It’s just murder and she did nothing to stop it. The only one who did was the one who was considered evil. How does she decide who to help? And if she’s powerful enough to turn Jiminy into a cricket, why doesn’t she turn the puppet parents back into humans.
(I have a thing about those puppets…I think they’re is more to that. They’re shown in EVERY episode that Rumple is in! And they’re just creepy)
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
August 12, 2012 at 4:24 pm #153014PriceofMagicParticipantI don’t think the enchanted forest was dying but that the blue fairy was running out of sources for her power. Rumple said that fairy magic didn’t mix well with what he was so how many sources of magic are there? Can certain magics only be accessed by certain groups? Rumple used the fairy godmother’s wand on cinderella yet he never seems to use fairy dust and the fairies don’t have access to true love. Also, why is it we never see the blue fairy in her big form, she’s always in her fairy form.
Charming described Rumple as “the most dangerous man in all the realms” so is it possible that Rumple surpassed the blue fairy in the power stakes?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixAugust 15, 2012 at 3:44 pm #153049elleParticipantWhen it comes to Power, the fairies don’t seem to have much of a chance against Rumpelstiltskin, or possibly Regina as well. The magic of the fairies seems to be limited–The Blue Fairy granted Pinocchio his life to be human, but only on the condition that he remain brave, loyal, and unselfish. She could not save Gepetto’s parents, but she was able to turn Jiminy into a cricket to watch over Gepetto, and later Pinocchio. But seeing some of the scenes (and thinking it all over) helped remind me she is limited to the origin of the Fairytale stories in terms of how the writers handle her character/powers.
I think she is working against Regina and Rumpelstiltskin, particularly the latter. Her methods are just wrong, and the reasoning behind many of her choices is pretty rude at times.
August 17, 2012 at 6:37 pm #153078thewendybirdParticipantI can’t stand the Blue fairy.. i will just die if she’s Tinkerbell…..Tink doesn’t deserve such a fate 😛
August 17, 2012 at 9:40 pm #153079AliasscapeParticipantI thought it’s rather obvious who the Blue Fairy helps. People who call for her by name or wish upon her star. Even if she’s the most powerful being in all of fairy tale realms, no one IN the show has claimed she is all-seeing and all-knowing. That’s just an interpretation of what people think the most powerful being in the universe should have. Still, if she isn’t, then she can’t know every single person EVER who was in trouble so if they didn’t personally ask for her help it’s not like she was ignoring them. She was probably just busy helping the people who HAD asked her or who she’d happened upon/knew personally.
Seems like well why didn’t the Blue fairy help Zoso and free him? Why didn’t the Blue Fairy save Granny’s family from their wolf problems? Why didn’t the blue fairy save Snow White’s runaway horse? Why didn’t she stop every single bad thing ever from happening so we’d have no conflicts in this show at all?
Keep in mind, the 2 Rumple/Baelfire episodes are THE ABSOLUTE EARLIEST portions of the Enchanted Forest timeline we have seen and there is NO mention of true love’s kiss in either one of the scenes taking place in that time. Likely 100 years before any other episode. True Love’s Kiss may have been learned to be quite the powerful magic but surely that had to start somewhere with someone realizing it and then that knowledge would have to spread. Not everyone seems to know about it, for example Belle didn’t know.
I think Rumpel has been the player behind of mostly everything from the point after he lost Baelfire ultimately leading to the curse, and our main storyline. Where the original Dark One came from, whether that was Zoso or someone before him, may not be all that relevant.
I think a lot of what we’ve seen that’s being interpreted as evil are the Blue Fairy’s limitations. If she could know and see all, then she would know that Nova dropped fairy dust on Dreamy’s egg, gave him the ability to fall in love and that his love for Nova was true. So it wasn’t that she didn’t believe in true love, she didn’t believe their love was TRUE. Judgmental on her part, maybe but also just something beyond anything she had ever seen in all her centuries alive.
She also seemed to be very slow to learn of the Queen’s curse plans and by the time she did, and had a solution her time (and magic trees) was limited. She also does not seem to be a great reader of people or predictor of their actions/motivations, to realize that Geppetto would not follow her instructions to not send Pinocchio through the wardrobe.
I think it’s just a can of worms if every magic spell can easily be done by someone else’s magic spell. Original Fairy tale sources also show limits in this type of power. For example, the ORIGINAL story of Sleeping Beauty, the “bad fairy” cursed Sleeping Beauty to prick her finger and DIE. The final fairy wasn’t able to just go “Nope, that won’t happen” she was only able to stop Sleeping Beauty’s death by causing a long deep, deathlike sleep that could be ended by a prince. Nor were any of the SIX fairies that had ALREADY bestowed gifts upon Sleeping Beauty able to do anything to alter the bad fairy’s curse. So I don’t think there’s anything sinister behind her not bringing back Geppetto’s parents. Fairy magic just doesn’t work in a “undo any and everything” sort of way.
I also don’t know what was unclear about explaining this magic bean will take you to another world, without magic, where dark one powers won’t work. And she even asked Baelfire if he could leave everything behind for the unknown. The kid was watching his father slaughtering people on a daily basis, maybe she didn’t realize a vortex could possibly be scarier than that.
August 19, 2012 at 2:18 am #153092LisaFromOHParticipantI agree with your post, Oncescape. It sums up what I’ve been thinking, in better words than I could have used. Just because the Blue Fairy is the most powerful doesn’t mean she’s all powerful or all knowing.
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