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Hi everyone,
I’m pretty new to this forum, so hopefully this is the right spot for this. But I had some thoughts on Cora’s backstory, just by piecing together what we heard of her in ‘The Stable Boy’ and in the latest episode, “We Are Both”. I briefly searched the forums, but didn’t see anything too similar to this, so I apologize if someone already came up with this theory and I’m just repeating.
I think Cora’s backstory is going to very very closely resemble the original tale of Rumplestiltskin. I was kind of confused and very intrigued over Rumple and Regina’s conversation in We Are Both, and then today I was listening to the podcast (Skin Deep or Red Handed, I don’t remember which one) while mucking stalls at work (I actually work in a stable, haha) and they were speculating about who might play the part of the original Rumplestiltskin story. I think it’s Cora. I have a few reasons for this.
In ‘The Stable Boy’, when Regina and Daniel were talking, just before Snow came by on the horse, Daniel mentioned that it was unfair for Cora to judge him for his lowly position seeing as she used to be the daughter of a Miller. This would also explain Regina’s last name in Storybrooke.
THEN, this episode, it was said that Cora had dealt with Rumplestiltskin. It was said that nobody would speak his name and lots of people didn’t even know his name at this time. Rumple also implied that he’d known her as a baby and was somehow involved with her as a child, setting up this history and prior relationship. So I think what must have happened is that Cora was the one who was in the kind of traditional Rumplestiltskin story, and that’s how all this got started. Hopefully I’m not just repeating what a ton of people have already said. If so, at least I’m proud of figuring this out without much outside influence. haha. Does anybody agree or have anything to add?
[adrotate group="5"]Yep, even before Cora was introduced, people were speculating that Regina would have something to do with the classic Rumplestiltskin story, just based on the fact that her name is Mills, as in miller. They’ve basically confirmed that now. It was kind of chilling, the way he was telling her he knew her when she was a baby, and she had no idea what he was going on about.
I loved how in We Are Both, they had Regina say that Cora never said the name of the man who’d given her the book, and then when Regina read his name out, he had a dig at her for saying it wrong. 😉
I think Cora is the Miller’s daughter. I mean, we already know from The Stable Boy that she is. This past episode just confirms it. But Cora didn’t marry the King, so there must have been a different deal. Rumpel said to Regina that she knew Cora before she married Henry Sr., so Cora might have been poor then and she made deals with him to rise up?
Ah, thanks. I figured that since I didn’t see anything about it, I was either completely blind or it was old news. haha. And of course, as soon as I posted this, I listened to all the podcasts that discussed this exact topic. xD I think I’ll either have to just keep making slightly outdated predictions and asking questions that have already been answered for a little while, or just wait until I’ve caught up on all the podcasts. haha.
I love the idea that Rumple knew Regina way-back-when, too. I knew they had to have some epic history between them, but I never quite put together that it would go THAT far back. It’s pretty awesome, really. She was totally creeped out, and I don’t blame her. haha. And yes, ‘Rumpleshtiltskin’ was great, too. xD
Before, when I was watching Stable Boy, I knew that Cora had made some deals that were pretty severe, but now knowing that she was dealing with Rumplestiltskin, I can see why she’d be so adamant that Regina follow her plans. Not that I agree, but the price would have been very high to have Regina ‘throw it away’. It makes Cora’s resolve more believable and more awesome. haha.
Speaking of theories that have probably already been discussed — does anyone know if Mister Gold knew his fairy-tale background the whole time in Storybrooke, or just when Emma came and he learned her name? I always assumed that it happened when he learned her name – because of the expression on his face… and why else would he make that his payment for his information swap with Snow in the pilot – but I heard some people postulating that he knew that whole time. Did we come to a consensus on that?
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I think I’ll either have to just keep making slightly outdated predictions and asking questions that have already been answered for a little while, or just wait until I’ve caught up on all the podcasts. haha.
😆 No worries, there’s an awful lot of stuff to get caught up on.
Before, when I was watching Stable Boy, I knew that Cora had made some deals that were pretty severe, but now knowing that she was dealing with Rumplestiltskin, I can see why she’d be so adamant that Regina follow her plans. Not that I agree, but the price would have been very high to have Regina ‘throw it away’. It makes Cora’s resolve more believable and more awesome. haha.
That’s a very good point. Cora likely sold her soul to get where she is, so she’ll be damned if it’s all gonna be for nothing. Perhaps part of what made her so completely horrible was her fear of Rumple…of deals she made with him going awry…and/or of having to make more deals with him if she couldn’t get what she wanted on her own.
Speaking of theories that have probably already been discussed — does anyone know if Mister Gold knew his fairy-tale background the whole time in Storybrooke, or just when Emma came and he learned her name? I always assumed that it happened when he learned her name – because of the expression on his face… and why else would he make that his payment for his information swap with Snow in the pilot – but I heard some people postulating that he knew that whole time. Did we come to a consensus on that?
Kitsis and Horowitz have confirmed that he only got his memories back when he heard Emma’s name. Kinda messed up everyone’s theories about how he’d managed to procure Henry in particular for Regina, if he had no idea who any of them were at the time, then it can’t have been intentional scheming on his part.
No worries, there’s an awful lot of stuff to get caught up on.
No kidding. xD I delayed joining the forums for a few weeks because I felt like it would be hard to wade into the middle of something this big– but the people seemed so much fun and I love the podcasts, so I went for it! Thankfully so far everyone’s been really gracious and nice about my newbie-ness so far, though. haha.
Perhaps part of what made her so completely horrible was her fear of Rumple…of deals she made with him going awry…and/or of having to make more deals with him if she couldn’t get what she wanted on her own.
I think it definitely ups the stakes, that’s for sure. I had thought she made sacrifices maybe by marrying Henry Sr. if she didn’t love him, or that she worked really hard and possibly had to do some awful things like poisoning or sleeping around or the typical things you hear of people doing when they have extreme political ambitions… but bringing Rumple into it adds a whole new level. He seems to have the knack of taking what people TRULY want in order to give people what they want in the moment, so I can get that Cora’s loss was very steep. I think she is concerned for Regina, but more than anything the idea that “I paid dearly for this, don’t let it go to waste” is probably at the forefront.
Kitsis and Horowitz have confirmed that he only got his memories back when he heard Emma’s name.
Okay, yeah. That’s what I always thought, but you’re right about posing some problems regarding how he got Henry. I can only assume that either there was a sort of inevitability about it, he had outside help from somewhere, or he made some sort of provisions ahead of time with his “I can glimpse the future” powers. xD I’m sure this question is moot because I’m sure SOMEONE has, but is there a thread anywhere that talks about how Rumple got Henry? I’d be interested to read the theories on that.
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