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November 1, 2012 at 2:47 am #135224obisgirlParticipant
Okay, so after finally watching the episode, I thought about Dr. Whale in the premiere when he led the townspeople to hang Regina. Prince Charming confronted him and he said to his face, ‘You’re not my Prince?’ Now that we know who Dr. Whale is (Dr. Victor Frankenstein), I thought about who Dr. Whale’s prince might be?
I don’t think it would be too far fetched to say since OUAT writers introduced Frankenstein into the fairytale lore, there’s no reason they couldn’t include Prince Vlad the Impaler (aka Count Dracula).
But I’m not sure how I would feel about a vampire roaming around Storybrooke. Red could probably track him though. š
[adrotate group="5"]November 1, 2012 at 3:03 am #158842lilredParticipantMakes sense, and I think Jane indicated the possibility of Dracula a day or two ago – even pointed out that he was based on a real person (Vlad the Impaler).
Have to add into the mix Jack: the Pumpkin King though but Dracula makes more sense. š
November 1, 2012 at 3:09 am #158843melliemdParticipantMy vote goes for Vlad as well. Makes sense as Dracula is THE definitive Gothic Horror character.
November 1, 2012 at 3:53 am #158849gypsyParticipantYeah, TheGoldenKey was just commenting about Jane Espensen’s tweet about Dracula on the live podcast a few hours ago…I think she posted about it earlier today somewhere, can’t remember where….a new clue?
November 1, 2012 at 5:28 am #158851theladybelleParticipantI’d say Dracula too. š It would be awesome if two of the most famous Victorian gothic novels were connected!
Sidenote: Though Dracula is not a royal prince, such as Charming. Dracula is nobility, of which prince is also a title. Dracula is not related to royalty, at least not closely. Some people confuse it because there’s no distinction in English. In Danish there are two different words for royal prince(say a son of a king) and noble prince(such as Dracula). I don’t know why I said this, I’d just like to point that out. š
November 1, 2012 at 7:14 am #158855PheeParticipantHere’s the tweet where Jane mentioned Dracula, she was responding to a fan who was saying that Frankenstein was based on a real person, making him real himself:
Also, Dracula based on real person. Hook certainly drew from legends of real pirates. Alice in wonderland was Alice Lydell
Basically, she’s saying that many a ficticious character has their origin in a real person, but that doesn’t make them any less ficticious. I could see them having Dracula ruling that land, without having to specifically reference Vlad. Frankenstein could have even been inspired by him, this man whose body is technically dead, but he still lives by sustaining himself with blood transfusions. Would they go so far to say that Frankenstein created Dracula? As in, the prince who ruled their land died, (or at least came very close to death), and Dr Frankenstein, being a loyal subject, revived him with blood transfusions, and in doing so, created the vampire?
If they do intend to introduce Dracula, (assuming Jane’s tweet was a hint), I can’t imagine that they could create yet another world where he’d be a better fit, coz Frankenstein’s world looked like the perfect place for Dracula to live. If he’s gonna be anywhere, I’d expect him to be there, whether he’s the one who rules the land or not.
November 1, 2012 at 7:31 am #158856thetricksterParticipantIt could be nice if it is Dracula. I would really like to watch a sort of āvictorian-gothicā world in which all the characters of the horror movies- gothic books live. And those āblack and whiteā scenes make me remember the old films by Hammer Productions XDD
Butā¦ I donāt know, Dracula was not a prince. He was not even nobleman. He was a voivoda, which is a military range āsort of general- who ruled a province in old Valaquia (where Transilvania is, in Rumania, but in the Medieval Ages, under the Ottoman Empire.That is why Vlad Tepes became a legend: he fought the Turkish with such a blood thirst that people began to think that he even drank blood of his enemies) I know that he is also a gothic character, and that not only Fairy Tales have place in the show butā¦ historical characters? Maybe too much? Or maybe notā¦
You know, Frankenstein was written in the 19th century and so was Draculaā¦ there are lots of legends about Queen Victoria and her sonsā¦ it is said that she was into āstrangeā business, related with magic and experimental science since her husband died. It is also said that she was related in some way with Jack the Reaper āand one of the first suspects was an American actor who played the role of Jekyll-Hide in the theatres of London at the time of the murderers (Richard Mansfield)-
And the Dr. Whale/Frankenstein from OUaT could also be a Mr. Hide-Jack the Reaper. Both Hide and Jack were womanizers āas Dr. Whale is but not Victor Frankenstein- and finally no one knows why, they started to kill women. Dr. Jekyll changed because a potion he drankā¦ well, Dr. Whale had his arm stuck again because of the magic. And all magic comes with a price, soā¦ what about a doctor loyal to a certain gothic Prince Albert (Āæ? put here the name of other candidatesā¦ all of them from England in the Victorian Age, when the original gothic stories took place) from his world who after make use of magic has to paid the price of it by becoming a murderer without knowing it? Being the victims women who rejected āor not- him?
Anyway I hope Iām wrong. I would like to see Dracula as the king-prince of that land… he could make “the evil queen” look like Teresa de Calcuta. š
November 1, 2012 at 12:21 pm #158872gypsyParticipantOr maybe his statement “You’re not my Prince” was just an indication that he was from a different world where Prince Charming didn’t exist as a real person.
trickster- I think his ‘price’ for magically having his arm re-attached was that Rumple made him admit that he needed magic.
That being said, I would love for them to include Dracula…I love all the old classic horror movies š
November 1, 2012 at 12:46 pm #158877TheGoldenKeyParticipant@Phee wrote:
Here’s the tweet where Jane mentioned Dracula, she was responding to a fan who was saying that Frankenstein was based on a real person, making him real himself:
Also, Dracula based on real person. Hook certainly drew from legends of real pirates. Alice in wonderland was Alice Lydell
Basically, she’s saying that many a ficticious character has their origin in a real person, but that doesn’t make them any less ficticious. I could see them having Dracula ruling that land, without having to specifically reference Vlad. Frankenstein could have even been inspired by him, this man whose body is technically dead, but he still lives by sustaining himself with blood transfusions. Would they go so far to say that Frankenstein created Dracula? As in, the prince who ruled their land died, (or at least came very close to death), and Dr Frankenstein, being a loyal subject, revived him with blood transfusions, and in doing so, created the vampire?
If they do intend to introduce Dracula, (assuming Jane’s tweet was a hint), I can’t imagine that they could create yet another world where he’d be a better fit, coz Frankenstein’s world looked like the perfect place for Dracula to live. If he’s gonna be anywhere, I’d expect him to be there, whether he’s the one who rules the land or not.
Phee, thanks for finding that tweet I was talking about in live chat last night. It’s a very important tweet. When she was responding to person, she responds about Hook, a character we’ve already seen. She responds about Wonderland, a world we’ve already seen. She responds about Dracula, a character we have NEVER seen. Why Dracula if the intent isn’t to eventually bring him in? Why not Mulan? Why not Lancelot? Both are based on legends that started with some sort of truth to them. But no, she mentions Dracula.
I’ve said many times before, that I believe his world is a fictional Transylvania. Adam Horowits, has stated, that anything real can be written as fictional. Thus, it doesn’t matter if Transylvania was a real place or not. In Victor’s world, it’s a black & white world, one in which black & white 1930’s monster horror movies held from.
Then there’s Dracula: The Prince of Darkness (1966 movie starring Christopher Lee). I’ve also said, many times before on this board, that Dracula was his prince. Many movies were made combining Dracula, Frankenstein and the Wolfman. Dracula always controlled the monster. He’d use his hypnotic eyes and would cast his magic on him. It’s just not a world of science; that’s Victor’s private little world, but it’s a world of magic (how else could Jefferson have travelled there).
I wouldn’t be surprised to find out Red’s family migrated to the Enchanted Forest from this world. They are, after all, werewolves. I’m sure we’re going to see monsters like the Mummy, Phantom of the Opera, Dr. Jekyl & Mr. Hyde, etc. Time to get on our Monster Game face’s
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November 1, 2012 at 12:53 pm #158874TheGoldenKeyParticipant@TheTrickster wrote:
It could be nice if it is Dracula. I would really like to watch a sort of āvictorian-gothicā world in which all the characters of the horror movies- gothic books live. And those āblack and whiteā scenes make me remember the old films by Hammer Productions XDD
Butā¦ I donāt know, Dracula was not a prince. He was not even nobleman. He was a voivoda, which is a military range āsort of general- who ruled a province in old Valaquia (where Transilvania is, in Rumania, but in the Medieval Ages, under the Ottoman Empire.That is why Vlad Tepes became a legend: he fought the Turkish with such a blood thirst that people began to think that he even drank blood of his enemies) I know that he is also a gothic character, and that not only Fairy Tales have place in the show butā¦ historical characters? Maybe too much? Or maybe notā¦
You know, Frankenstein was written in the 19th century and so was Draculaā¦ there are lots of legends about Queen Victoria and her sonsā¦ it is said that she was into āstrangeā business, related with magic and experimental science since her husband died. It is also said that she was related in some way with Jack the Reaper āand one of the first suspects was an American actor who played the role of Jekyll-Hide in the theatres of London at the time of the murderers (Richard Mansfield)-
And the Dr. Whale/Frankenstein from OUaT could also be a Mr. Hide-Jack the Reaper. Both Hide and Jack were womanizers āas Dr. Whale is but not Victor Frankenstein- and finally no one knows why, they started to kill women. Dr. Jekyll changed because a potion he drankā¦ well, Dr. Whale had his arm stuck again because of the magic. And all magic comes with a price, soā¦ what about a doctor loyal to a certain gothic Prince Albert (Āæ? put here the name of other candidatesā¦ all of them from England in the Victorian Age, when the original gothic stories took place) from his world who after make use of magic has to paid the price of it by becoming a murderer without knowing it? Being the victims women who rejected āor not- him?
Anyway I hope Iām wrong. I would like to see Dracula as the king-prince of that land… he could make “the evil queen” look like Teresa de Calcuta. š
Gypsy is right Trickster, Victor/Whale’s price is having to concede to magic. Man of science hates to concede to man of faith.
Your theory is interesting but very similar to two put out by another posted named fairy dust. Here are the links as I think you’d enjoy reading them. You both seem to have much in common in how you think/theorize. You could almost be twins š
https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=1862&p=23266#p23266
https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=1768&p=22198#p22198
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