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Before Rumple intervened, Keith was making out with Lacey and was clearly hoping to sleep with her. Lacey wasn’t rejecting his advances. However, would any sex between Keith and Lacey truly be consensual?
In FTL, Keith wanted to spend a night with Belle in exchange for giving Rumple info on Robin Hood. That was the deal he wanted with Rumple. At no time did Belle get a say in the deal but she clearly didn’t want to sleep with Keith so it’s a good job Rumple said no.
In Storybrooke, Keith remembers his true identity whereas Belle doesn’t and he’s still sniffing around her. Lacey is more receptive to his advances but she’s not Belle.
In my opinion, Keith is knowingly trying to take advantage of Belle when she is unable to truly give consent.
Keith was only apologising to Rumple because he got caught.
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Keeper of FelixIn Storybrooke, Keith remembers his true identity whereas Belle doesn’t and he’s still sniffing around her. Lacey is more receptive to his advances but she’s not Belle.
Yes, and in the bar Keith said that he had his on Belle/Lacey for awhile, which we know means since FTL since Belle spent 28 years in the asylum. So he’s taking advantage of the fact that she doesn’t know who she is right now.
To the overall question your posing, this is really difficult to answer. We know that everyone is “both” their FTL and SB persona’s so thus Lacey does exist, she has free will and makes her own choices and is a person in her own right. However, when Belle comes back and if something had happened between Lacey and Keith, I can just imagine how horrifying that would be for her.
It’s a very gray area, and one I’m glad the writers decided not to explore.
I’m interested to see how Belle will react to Lacey/Rumple’s time together. Will she understand that he tried to show Lacey the good side but she rejected it? Will she be upset that Rumple is slipping back into darkness for Lacey? I know it’s not going to be smooth but I sincerely hope that Rumple has a moment of clarity where he rejects darkness and in turn Lacey and that somehow registers with her and Belle can come back. Then we can see her reactions."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@RumplesGirl wrote:
I’m interested to see how Belle will react to Lacey/Rumple’s time together. Will she understand that he tried to show Lacey the good side but she rejected it? Will she be upset that Rumple is slipping back into darkness for Lacey? I know it’s not going to be smooth but I sincerely hope that Rumple has a moment of clarity where he rejects darkness and in turn Lacey and that somehow registers with her and Belle can come back. Then we can see her reactions.
I think Rumple feels he has to be dark if he is to stand any chance of getting Belle back rather than actually wanting to be dark. He quickly picked up the fact that she liked him being dark and he answered her with the exact same words he used when she said “you really are as dark as people say” the first time in FTL.
I don’t think Belle will be upset with Rumple once she gets her memories back, I think she will be more upset with how she acted since she went over the line.
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Keeper of FelixI think Rumple feels he has to be dark if he is to stand any chance of getting Belle back rather than actually wanting to be dark. He quickly picked up the fact that she liked him being dark and he answered her with the exact same words he used when she said “you really are as dark as people say” the first time in FTL.
I think you know how much I want you to be right. 😆 I would be totally ok with this.
There was a lot of heartbreak last night and a lot of happiness. *shakes fist* ADAM AND EDDY!"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@PriceofMagic wrote:
In Storybrooke, Keith remembers his true identity whereas Belle doesn’t and he’s still sniffing around her. Lacey is more receptive to his advances but she’s not Belle.
In my opinion, Keith is knowingly trying to take advantage of Belle when she is unable to truly give consent.
Keith was only apologising to Rumple because he got caught.
I was going back and forth on this line of thought last night too, but after rewatching I don’t think he knew that she doesn’t have her memories. When he said he’d had his eye on her for a while, he said it to Lacey. He was clearly trying to chat her up, and her response didn’t give away the fact that she didn’t remember their meeting in Sherwood.
Keith: “I’ve had my eye on you for awhile.”
Lacey: “Thank you! Not my type.”
Keith: “Well you never know unless you give it a try.”
We can’t clearly hear the rest of the exchange, but there is no awkward body language as though anything were said that seemed abnormal to either party. So I’d just put that down to a failed pickup attempt at a bar.
He doesn’t know that she’s on a date with Rumple with the makeout session. To say she wasn’t rejecting his advances is a bit of an understatement. Rumple even says to her: “You came out here because you wanted to be with him.” To which Lacey replies, “Yeah.”
Keith tracks Rumple down to apologize for making out with his date and refers to him as Mr. Gold.
Keith: “Mr Gold, I-I’m so sorry about what happened back there. I-I-I didn’t know that you two were still together.”
Rumple: “We’re not.”
Keith: *absorbs info followed by relieved laughter* “So we’re good then. Right?” *offers handshake* “There’s no hard feelings.”
Then Rumple magics out his tongue and goes all cane happy on him.
Keith never acts like he knows that Lacey doesn’t remember her past, because that would be a whole bigger reason for him to fear Rumple’s wrath. Him thinking things are okay between them further suggests that he is clueless. He’s just treating Rumple like the scary ex-boyfriend rather than someone whose ex he was trying to take advantage of. He stupidly thinks Lacey simply picked him over Gold.
Sherwood isn’t EF, so he quite possibly doesn’t associate with folks who knew her as Belle. He doesn’t even learn her real name in the flashback. With everyone using their SB names, there’s plenty of reason to think that he really didn’t know that Lacey didn’t remember anything. She might even have contacted him to get him there to make out with her. Makes more sense than him randomly walking by Granny’s to seduce someone he didn’t know was there on a date.
If Lacey ends up spending the night with Keith, it would mirror Mary Margaret sleeping with Dr. Whale. She can always just chalk it up to, “I was cursed!” since she wasn’t her true self. However, I don’t think Lacey will go for Keith after Mr. Gold beat him up. Lacy looked pretty turned on the that disgustingly violent display. 😕
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I think Lacey and Keith does differ from MM and Whale. Whilst both MM and Whale were cursed, only Belle is cursed and Keith remembers his true identity. Keith is in a clearer state of mind than Belle is. He told Belle that he had his eye on her for “a while”. He first saw her in FTL when he wanted a night with her in exchange for giving Rumple information on Robin Hood. When Rumple refused, Keith tried to negotiate an hour and then 20 minutes. Basically he just wanted to have sex with her, he didn’t care how long he had, just so he had enough time to do the deed. Presuming Keith and Belle did not meet again in FTL, how could Keith have his eye on her for “a while” when she was locked up by Regina and then locked up for 28 years in the asylum? If Keith had seen her around Storybrooke since the curse broke, then he would know that “Lacey” is not how Belle would really act and behave. Therefore he saw his opportunity to get what he wanted with Lacey and it was just unfortunate for him that Rumple showed up.
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Keeper of Felix^What PriceofMagic said. I completely agree. Keith was just looking to sleep with her, no matter if she was Lacey or Belle. He took advantage of the situation that she was finally not Belle and therefore wouldn’t remember their previous encounters.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"But is Dr. Whale so vastly different from Victor Frankenstein? Even after the curse lifted, Victor immediately wanted to know whether the nuns could date again. It seems like even when cursed, there is a bit of one’s true self that remains. He was always a bit of a hound dog. So, there is a definite, but not exact, parallel between Dr. Whale and Mary Margaret on the one hand, and Keith and Lacey on the other. That certainly doesn’t mean Keith is right to seduce Lacey, who is cursed, but she is still responsible for her own actions. She doesn’t have to sleep with someone if she doesn’t want to, just as Mary Margaret didn’t have to have a one-night stand with Dr. Whale. Lacey may not be Belle, but she still can decide whether or not to do something.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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