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I felt what was revealed in the sneak peek video and the promos concerning Greg and Tamara’s agenda deserved a topic of its own. I would have posted this here ( https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3751 ), but since this particular take on this topic heavily involves spoilers I will make this separate. Many of us suspected that they had desired to get a hold of magic for their own usage, but it looks like its the opposite case. They want to destroy magic because it is “unholy.” It was also revealed that they are really working for an entire organization, one that seemingly wants to eradicate magic from the entire world. This organization and other similar believers might even be the reason why this is “A Land Without Magic.” Magic might have had a larger presence long ago, but has been wiped out from this world at the hands of people like Greg and Tamara. They are essentially modern day witch hunters.
What I find most interesting is that this idea of getting rid of magic was heavily suggested by Henry in “Welcome to Storybrooke”, which happened to be Greg’s origin episode. Henry believed that magic was ruining everything, and Greg lost his father as a result of magic. Greg couldn’t return to Storybrooke to show the police where his father was all because the town was closed off to outsiders, nor would he and his father had visited the town had it not been for the curse in the first place. Magic being seen as the root of all evil would surely attract Greg to joining this organization with Tamara, and perhaps Tamara has a similar experience. Rumple’s Girl in particular has brought up the theory that Tamara is the daughter of Robin Hood and Maid Marian, and she lost them as a result of magic. Not sure if I personally buy that theory, but I’ll leave it out there as an option.
Perhaps their agenda goes further than destroying magic in Storybrooke. With the magic portal beans in the picture, they could be planning to actually head out and destroy magic in the Enchanted Forest itself, along with other magical realms. We do know from filming photos in “And Straight on Till' Morning” that Tamara and Greg take Henry and seemingly use a bean to travel somewhere. We also saw in the sneak peek that they have the “trigger” that can destroy Storybrooke. If Greg and Tamara figure out what it does, I can very easily see them using it to do that themselves. Wiping away an entire magical time gets rid of the magic they found all in one go.
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Yeah I got the same impression after I watched that sneak peek/extended promo. You're right about the filming photo's from 2×22 “And Straight On Til Morning” about them taking Henry and apparently using one of those magic beans to open a portal to escape with their hostage. I'm wondering though what could be circumstances that set up them taking Henry and why
Keeper of Neal/BaelFire's Blood Magic, Neverland Crossbow, FTL Clothes,Room at Granny’s, Charming & Emma’s Father/Daughter Hugs, Henry's Neverland Crossbow, Rumplestlitskin/Mr.Gold's FTL Walking StickTotally called that Tamara and Greg worked for a secret organization. Tamara was just too resourceful in “Selfless, Brave and True” not to be backed up by powerful people. Did not expect them, however, being against magic. Makes sense, though; if they wanted to seize magic for questionable ends, the story would necessarily have the spreading of magic through the rest of the world as a natural outcome, amplifying the scope of the villains’s plots in a way that the series can’t financially do.
I agree with all the points brought by Matthew and I’ll even raise one here: I think it’s possible that the organization is the one truly responsible for Owen growing up without a father. The way I see it, Regina did end up releasing Kurt shortly after Owen left, but the organization captured or killed him before he got reunited with his son and then had Tamara in the present day use Owen’s resentment at having his father be ripped away from him to get him to join their ranks.
@MatthewPaul wrote:
This organization and other similar believers might even be the reason why this is “A Land Without Magic.” Magic might have had a larger presence long ago, but has been wiped out from this world at the hands of people like Greg and Tamara. They are essentially modern day witch hunters.
What a cool and ominous concept!
Yesterday I posted in another thread that perhaps they could be a part of some sort of Illuminati-type organisation, with all this secret knowledge and resources, and it could be a super exclusive club, only open to those who have connections to magical worlds, potentially stretching centuries back to people like the Grimms who somehow knew the stories.
When I was thinking about that yesterday, I wasn’t thinking that they had such a negative vendetta against all things magical though. They’re very clearly on the “destroy all magic” team, not the “investigate all magic for our own purposes” team. “Unholy” is a pretty strong term.
Another possibility, is the people behind the organization are magical themselves–but no one in the lower ranks knows it.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
So who is at the top of the organization? It has to be someone who’s had a bad experience with magic. Someone who has seen what it can do to people and wants to make sure magic never has a hold here. It also has to be someone who knows how to seek out those affected by magic and bring them in. I still think there is more to Tamara than just “magic hater” she has to hate it for a reason.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@RumplesGirl wrote:
I still think there is more to Tamara than just “magic hater” she has to hate it for a reason.
Indeed! I can see how it could play into the theory of her being related to Robin and Marian, if something magical that happened in FTL doomed her family somehow.
I agree we are due for some Tamara back story–it seemed to me that she and Greg likely met within the organization for which they work. I’m not sure why I got that vibe, but I don’t think it is just that she met him and got swept up in his quest.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
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@RumplesGirl wrote:
I still think there is more to Tamara than just “magic hater” she has to hate it for a reason.
Indeed! I can see how it could play into the theory of her being related to Robin and Marian, if something magical that happened in FTL doomed her family somehow.
Yes, that’s what I think happened. Marian looked to be plagued, perhaps by dark magic, but then fairy magic healed her. She and Robin fled to A Land Without Magic to escape whatever dark magic had caused Marian’s illness. Marian gave birth to Tamara. Yet, whatever plagued Marian wouldn’t relent, and so Marian and Robin might have joined a no-magic cause.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
So who is at the top of the organization? It has to be someone who’s had a bad experience with magic. Someone who has seen what it can do to people and wants to make sure magic never has a hold here. It also has to be someone who knows how to seek out those affected by magic and bring them in. I still think there is more to Tamara than just “magic hater” she has to hate it for a reason.
For sure, there is more to Tamara than meets the eye. Tamara probably grew up resenting dark magic for what it did to her mother. Tamara joined a group of likeminded people, like Greg, who believe the price of magic is too high to pay and so it must be gotten rid of. They may believe they’re even protecting this world from magic.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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