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August 8, 2013 at 5:16 am #203655PriceofMagicParticipant
I could see Rumple and Neal having a one step forward two steps back kind of relationship. Bae does still love Rumple but I think he is scared that Rumple may hurt him emotionally again, he’s lost trust in his father. A good parent/child relationship is built on the trust a child has for their parent, that their parent will look after them, care for them and protect them from harm. When Rumple let Bae go through the portal alone, he broke that trust.
After Rumple’s phone call to Belle, I think Bae was willing to give Rumple another chance since he saw how much Rumple could care for someone other than himself. However, Rumple screwed up. Rumple didn’t seek out Bae after he didn’t die, possibly because he wasn’t sure how the land lay with his son now he wasn’t dying, obviously the prophesy was playing on Rumple’s mind and the whole Lacey fiasco kicked up. When Bae caught up with Rumple, it was to find him and Lacey tormenting Whale. For Bae, Rumple’s behaviour was very reminiscent of the time after he’d just become the dark one when he was picking on people because he could, Bae didn’t want anything to do with Rumple because last time Rumple had acted like that, it had ended with Bae being dropped down a portal. Bae was protecting himself in SSTTR by saying he didn’t want Rumple having anything to do with himself or Henry. He was leaving Rumple before Rumple could leave him again.Rumple, for his sins, is not a great communicator. This is probably the result of being called a coward then being alone for several centuries, but saying what’s going on and how he’s feeling does not come naturally to Rumple. He’s learnt to bury his feelings so often that when he does let them out it is often in a very violent manner. It took Belle nearly leaving him for him to tell her about Bae. Had Rumple sought out Bae, explained about Belle and sorted out where him and Bae stood, then Bae and Rumple may have parted on better terms than they did.
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Keeper of FelixAugust 8, 2013 at 7:45 am #203657JosephineParticipantOne thing I’m hoping for the coming season is Neal making his way back to Storybrooke and getting to know Belle. He’s never met the real Belle and I don’t thing its really been explained to him what has actually happened to her. I think he’d be reluctant at first to have anything to do with her. My hope is after they can bond and he finds out the truth about what his father’s been up to that he’ll open his heart a little for the old man.
I do see any future relationship as a struggle. They’re never going to be bosom buddies, but I hope they can build something in the future. And just maybe Neal will get to the point that he’s thinking, “I want to be a good father to my son and one way is to have a relationship with my own father.”. He already recognizes that history can repeat itself with his “Don’t let Henry grow up like we did” speech. That’s the last thing he wants to do, repeat mistakes of the past.
I am very excited about the reunion, once again, of Neal and Rumple. Although, it does seem to be a developing pattern for Rumple to once again encounter people he previously thought deceased. Let’s hope it stops after Neal.
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August 8, 2013 at 8:40 am #203658kfchimeraParticipantWhat you don’t want Zombie Milah? (previously thought deceased indeed!). Now that would be a father/son bonding moment.
I think a lot of the family drama has not been given enough screen time. Rumpel killed Bae’s mother, and they have yet to acknowledge this. I do think Bae and Rumpel both are being written as the type to bottle up feelings a bit. Bae’s lines “I didn’t exactly have a fairy-tale child hood” and “there’s not a ton I remember that doesn’t suck” barely paint the picture that he wasn’t just abandoned, but he was isolated as the Dark One’s son as people were afraid to associate with him. Bae probably is not used to having people around to listen to his real feelings on things, just like Rumpel.
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August 8, 2013 at 9:19 am #203661RumplesGirlKeymasterIf Rumple does play a large role in saving Henry couple with Belle telling Bae what a good man Rumple is, I think it will go a long way to mending their relationship, at first. There is going to be tension there for a long time. I fully expect them to reunite and cry and hug and be happy but then Bae has to bring up Milah and all the other things Rumple has done.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"August 8, 2013 at 9:27 am #203664PheeParticipantAfter Rumple’s phone call to Belle, I think Bae was willing to give Rumple another chance since he saw how much Rumple could care for someone other than himself. However, Rumple screwed up. Rumple didn’t seek out Bae after he didn’t die, possibly because he wasn’t sure how the land lay with his son now he wasn’t dying, obviously the prophesy was playing on Rumple’s mind and the whole Lacey fiasco kicked up.
I get why Nealfire was angry in that scene where Rumple had his shoe in Victor’s face, (brought back all sorts of horrible memories), but at the same time…it takes two…and after the stuff with Cora and Regina went down, Neal was preparing to take Henry back to NYC instead of staying to work on his relationship with dear old dad. If Rumple had got wind of that, then no wonder he’d taken a step back. He went to see Belle in hospital because he felt he needed her support before he was able to face his son. And then Lacey showed up, so that wasn’t terribly helpful.
One thing I’m hoping for the coming season is Neal making his way back to Storybrooke and getting to know Belle. He’s never met the real Belle and I don’t thing its really been explained to him what has actually happened to her.
This is so vital! Think of all the stuff Neal overheard Rumple say during that phone call, about how she inspired him to be the best version of himself. Neal thinks Rumple was heaping all that praise on Lacey. His perspective is totally backwards, so he needs to meet Belle ASAP!
Belle has always seen through to the good that’s buried inside Rumple. Blue said to Bae, “You are the part of him that keeps him human. That little light inside of him that still glows. It’s his love for you.” Seriously, someone get Nealfire and Belle in the same room to have a chat!
Nealfires’s been through a whole lotta hell in his time. He was rejected by his mother. His father turned evil and then chose power over him. Lived on London’s streets for 6 months. Had a couple of lovely weeks with the Darlings, finally feeling like he belonged, then he sacrificed himself to save the family. Then he started to trust Hook, but found out he was being used. We dunno yet what he went through in NL, or his years in our world before Emma, but safe to say it wasn’t fun and games. Then he met Emma, and he found happiness again, and then it was revealed to him who she was and that the only way for her to get back to her family, was if he gave her up. Now he’s been used all over again by Tamara. And it seems like his father hasn’t changed, even though it’s been a couple hundred years. Frankly, I don’t blame him if he’s feeling like he’s not worthy of a happy ending. Poor guy has been kicked down so many times. So if he’s quick to believe that his relationship with his father is hopeless and unfixable, that’s really not surprising.
Hopefully whatever goes down in NL with saving Henry will prove that Rumple is redeemable, so they can start to truly turn things around.
August 8, 2013 at 9:57 am #203669PriceofMagicParticipantThe Milah thing is going to crop up eventually, it has too.
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Keeper of FelixAugust 8, 2013 at 10:37 am #203678PheeParticipantFor sure! I’d thought that he didn’t already know about that, because I’d have expected it to come up in conversation, so it was a bit of a surprise when we saw Hook telling him. There had better be a scene where Neal brings that up with Rumple.
August 8, 2013 at 12:58 pm #203683SlurpeezParticipantHad Rumple sought out Bae, explained about Belle and sorted out where him and Bae stood, then Bae and Rumple may have parted on better terms than they did.
I agree! Remember when Rumple thought August was his son in ‘The Return’? Archie had told him honesty was the best policy and Rumple gave a really good, heart-felt apology to the man he thought was his son. Too bad Rumple choked in ‘Manhattan’ by offering to turn Bae back into a 14-year-old again using magic. It was like everything Rumple should have learned just went out the window as soon as he saw his son again.
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August 8, 2013 at 2:46 pm #203689JosephineParticipantAnd poor Pinocchio can’t tell Neal how sincere the man was about thinking he’d found his son again. Of course, Rumple threatened to kill him immediately, but that’s a go-to action for the man. It’d be nice if we could tell Neal…”Hey, go back and watch ‘The Return’. Your dad was real sincere there and that would have been a much better speech than what you got.”
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August 8, 2013 at 3:42 pm #203699PriceofMagicParticipantI think Rumple suggested turning Bae back to 14 because Bae asked him how he was going to make up for Bae having to grow up alone. That was Rumple’s answer and of course it was the wrong one.
Makes you wonder what would have happened between Bae and Rumple had Hook not shown up and stabbed Rumple.
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