I think what annoyed people about Hook was that Hook was asking Emma for a kiss almost as payment for saving Charming’s life. Yes, Emma could’ve said no and walked away, however, at the same time, Emma kind of owed Hook because he saved her father’s life. Whilst a CaptainSwan kiss was inevitable, it was the circumstances in which that kiss came about. It was Hook asking for the kiss and reasoning that he should get it because he saved Charming’s life.
They could’ve done it where Emma gives Hook a thank you kiss and it turns into something more. Emma kisses Hook’s cheek, he turns his head to face her then she kisses his lips and it becomes the kiss we saw. You can get all the consequences of the kiss without Hook basically bargaining for it.
Also, people may feel that Hook is taking advantage of Emma at the current time. Her son’s been kidnapped, she’s in a place she doesn’t know. Emma’s in a vulnerable position. Hook is in the more “powerful” position. He has no emotional ties to Henry (If the kid died, it would be sad but it Hook’s world wouldn’t be torn apart unlike Emma’s and Regina’s) Hook knows Neverland the best, he knows what Pan is like. People tend to dislike when a person in a perceived “weaker” position is seemingly being taken advantage of by a person in a perceived more “powerful” position. I think that is the main issue with the circumstances surrounding the CaptainSwan kiss rather than the kiss itself.
Well lets stop right there. Hook did not start the kiss. He was kidding around when with the whole routine. He was just teasing Emma. What he expected from Emma was what she did at the beginning of the episode, he would say something, she would roll her eyes and walk away.
When the kiss started Hook was shocked, he did not expect that Emma would actually kiss him. He wasn’t asking for any payment.
If anyone is weak in this situation is Hook because Emma’s the one that came off looking the dominate person. Even ordering Hook after the kiss and him saying “As you wish”(Hello Princess Bride reference).
Side note on The Princess Bride: It’s really interesting how JMO is now starting to say she would want to play Princess Buttercup. Emma smiled after he said “as you wish”. Also I’m pretty sure Emma’s tattoo is that of a Buttercup flower. We already know that Hook is inspired by Westley/Dread Pirate Roberts.
Now continuing on, actually it wasn’t because of the payment that Emma kissed him. She kissed him because he challenged her. He said “perhaps you’re the one whom couldn’t handle it” and she got a I’ll show you face and bam she did it. What she didn’t expect was how much emotion was behind it.
Whilst it’s true that Hook isn’t JUST trying to get into Emma’s pants, as evidenced by the truthfulness of his confession in the echo caves, it would be fair to say that Hook is more emotionally involved in the “relationship” than Emma is. Emma’s at the “I may like you” stage whilst Hooks at the “I love you, let’s be together” stage.
I’m not saying she’s full on in love with Hook but she definitely felt feelings in that kiss from herself. This isn’t just one-sided. Sure Hook is in a much more place then Emma but I expected that would happen. I do agree with the stages.
I think the shot of Snow is her realising that the kiss meant more to Hook than it did to Emma and what that could mean. Emma is confused about her feelings for Hook. Whilst it is true that the kiss may have meant something to Emma if she is talking about it, Hook and Emma aren’t on the same wavelength. Emma doesn’t know how she feels about Hook, whilst Hook is at the “I love you” stage. Hook is more emotionally invested then Emma at the moment. Also, lets not forget that in Season 1, MM was involved in a triangle with David Nolan and Kathryn. In fact, MM was in Hook’s position (2 people in love with the same person) and MM got burned. Before the affair, when David (Emma) didn’t have his memory, He had a connection to MM (Hook) then Kathryn (Neal) David’s old love showed back up on the scene and David got his memory back and chose Kathryn which broke MM’s heart. That shot of Snow is her having sympathy for Hook and the position he’s about to find himself in, not that she’s suddenly deciding he’d make a great son-in-law.
I wasn’t saying she now realizes that Hook and Emma are true love or anything. I was just stating that she had it wrong. She had Hook all wrong and she had the kiss all wrong and that was the moment she realized that.
Also tie in with her past with Ariel and Hook was doing the same thing that Ariel did to her. Chose her(a friend) over a chance with her true love and this was even confirmed in the next episode when they classified Neal as the friend Hook chose over his chance with Emma.
Yep I also agree with you that Snow was seeing herself in Hook because she was in Hook’s shoes now, and she could easily understand what he was saying, because she’s experienced it and Snow is a warrior of everything that Hook was representing in that confession. Hope and believe which as Snow said in the episode is always the beginning of true love.
Getting Rumple to drop a deal is a big thing. Remember Neal has said himself that he’s seen what Rumple’s done to people that have broken deals with him in Manhattan. At this point Rumple hasn’t specified what deal he was angling for, he could’ve asked for anything. It could have been something that compromised Emma’s integrity (like “kill the blue fairy or I’m not making the cure”). Neal was acting on Emma’s behalf there, ensuring that she didn’t “owe” his father anything. Just because Neal didn’t necessarily risk his life like Hook did doesn’t mean that his contribution doesn’t matter as much as Hook’s. Neal has ensured that Rumple will make the cure for Charming no matter what. If Neal had said nothing and let Rumple make the deal, Emma or Charming may have disagreed to the deal which could have resulted in Rumple saying he wasn’t going to make the cure. Charming would then die.
Not when Neal is the one that interferes because Neal knows inside that Rumple is trying to do what’s best for him and he’s gonna do what he wants in the end instead of the selfish thing. Plus Neal has Pandora’s Box so there wasn’t really a threat in what he told to Rumple.
I was not dismissing what he did I was just saying that saying that Hook is not a hero for what he did and Neal is when Rumple is the one that suggested the elixir and Neal just told his father no is not okay. Disregarding everything Hook did is not okay.
HENRY is THE MOST IMPORTANT person to Emma. If you’re going to bond with anyone, THAT’S WHO you need to bond with. To be fair to Hook, he hasn’t had chance to bond with Henry yet, and he is at an automatic disadvantage. Emma doesn’t care if someone is best buddies with her parents or not, if they can’t get on with Henry, then there is no chance of that relationship continuing.
Henry IS the most important person and Hook hasn’t even had a chance to interact with him you’re absolutely right. However, if Neal is supposed to have longevity I would expect him to have relationships with her family as well. Charming even which they had a chance but have given that to Hook and that is telling. This bromance between Charming and Hook is not gonna just disappear especially when they’ve basically stated they see each others brothers in each other. Literally a BROmance.
Thankfully though thanks to spoilers we are gonna see Hook with Henry soon.
Hook told Neal about the kiss so Neal knows about it. The triangle began when Emma believed Neal to be dead whilst it was revealed he was alive. The love triangle tropes are in play.
Yes but the typical cliche when it comes to triangles is not knowing about the kiss, it’s seeing it and seeing a reaction.
Hook being constantly in the background of SwanFire scenes could suggest that he is jealously watching Emma and Neal. It could suggest an over possessiveness of Emma, Hook wants to keep an eye on her at all times, etc.
He doesn’t look angry nor jealous in those shots though at all. He looks very sad and heartbroken. He’s not happy by any means but he’s not upset. If he was angry or rolling his eyes then I would agree with you but that did not happen.
The camera never panning to Neal’s reaction could suggest that Neal doesn’t feel the need to keep an eye on Emma or watch her interactions with Hook like a hawk. Whilst Neal interrupting the CaptainSwan scene is a triangle trope (The third person interrupts a “moment” between the other two) it was less about Neal doing it because he thought “They’re having a moment, I’d best go interrupt it” and more “Let’s go get the shadow so we can save Henry and get out of here”
The theme from Hook and Emma’s kiss was playing during the scene and then stopped when Neal shouted off screen “hey guys”. It was definitely a triangle trope.
Emma clearly said that the only person that mattered right now was Henry. BOTH men are on pause until Henry is safe back in Storybrooke. Once that happens then CaptainSwanFire will start gaining momentum
Hook’s on pause until then, but Neal’s scene didn’t come off that way.
Then of course you have to factor in Tink, Tink and Bae looked way too happy to see each other and she definitely looked much more happy to see him then Hook.
Alas though all we have are theories until Tink’s history with both guys is revealed. Though I think it’s obvious based on Hook’s confession that he and Tink did not have a romantic past because if they did then the bridge would not have formed since the secret of his confession was before Emma he had never believe he could move on from Milah.
Neal on the other hand was 14. He could have had a crush on her but that’s just guesstimate work. We won’t know anything until her background is revealed.