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January 19, 2014 at 6:40 pm #238501Marty McFlyParticipant
this is another thing that bothered me in the writing… if August told Baelfire that Emma is supposed to break a curse so she can see her parents, why didn’t he just tell her “Hey Emma, let’s change our plan. Instead of Tallahassee we will go to a little town called Story Brooke and hang out there for a while” Emma might have asked why, what’s there in SB? He might have even needed her to be convinced of that by telling her that his father abandoned him when he was 14 and he now lives in SB because he chose power (you know, money) over his son. she’d have understood that. they would have gone to SB together and had Henry there or before they came there, whatever.
but August seemed to be very sure that the only way for Emma to break the curse was to take Henry from her.
SOMEONE WANTED HENRY TO BE A LOST BOY
could Pan have sent August to Neal? if they never tell us about all the deals that Pan made with Hook, August, Tink I will be very upset. and it looks like they aren’t filming Pan or Neverland anymore and it bothers me. I mean this actor won’t stay young forever. if they want to finish this story they will have to do it soon!
instead of all the time wasted on needless things like that attack of the mermaids or the Medusa which didn’t move the story anywhere, they should have spent more time on explaining and adding to these things
[adrotate group="5"]January 19, 2014 at 6:50 pm #238504PriceofMagicParticipantAdam confirmed that bad things would’ve happened if Neal had stayed with Emma plus Neal didn’t want to see Rumple again.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixJanuary 19, 2014 at 7:01 pm #238515Marty McFlyParticipanthe didn’t want to see Rumpel again, yet he came back to make sure that Emma was alright. he could have done that 11 years before and save so much heart ache
January 19, 2014 at 7:06 pm #238521PriceofMagicParticipantKnowing that Emma made a deal with Rumple made Bae go back to check on her since Emma was technically breaking her deal by lying to Rumple and Neal knew what Rumple did to people who break deals.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixJanuary 19, 2014 at 7:07 pm #238523RumplesGirlKeymasterhe didn’t want to see Rumpel again, yet he came back to make sure that Emma was alright. he could have done that 11 years before and save so much heart ache
She had a destiny to fulfill. He knew that. He had to leave her alone until the Curse was broken because he had to save the 1000s under Regina’s curse.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"January 19, 2014 at 7:19 pm #238537Marty McFlyParticipantShe had a destiny to fulfill. He knew that. He had to leave her alone until the Curse was broken because he had to save the 1000s under Regina’s curse.
couldn’t he just take her to SB himself 10 years early?
January 19, 2014 at 7:22 pm #238540RumplesGirlKeymasterRumplesGirl wrote: She had a destiny to fulfill. He knew that. He had to leave her alone until the Curse was broken because he had to save the 1000s under Regina’s curse.
couldn’t he just take her to SB himself 10 years early?
They didn’t know where it was. SB isn’t on any map. Henry had to take Emma. And besides, the only way Emma could have broke the Curse was by kissing her one true love–which is Henry. That has been said by JMo and the writers *many* times. It had to be her kissing Henry and only kissing Henry. And the only way that was going to happen was if Emma was in the emotional state she was in when we met her in the pilot–walls up. And for HENRY to wear down her walls. The TL that broke the Curse was a parental love and it was beautiful. But since then it has gotten all tied up in shipping and shipping wars and “why couldn’t this have happened” and people forget or something the absolute emotional punch that 122 gave you when you first watched it. Before you knew anything about Neal, before there was Hook, before there was a love triangle there was Emma and her son and S1 is absolutely about Emma opening herself up to her one true love–Henry.
Also, I ‘m going to say this.
This conversation is going very quickly into CaptainSwanFire territory. And as a whole, this community here as decided that we can’t have that conversation outside of the individual CS / SF shipping threads. It’s not healthy for us. We tried and it didn’t work.
Let’s just be cautious going forth because I can see this topic and your initial theory sparking some heated arguments.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"January 19, 2014 at 8:43 pm #238570once_dudeParticipantalthough i like this question, and i agree that it could have possibly been healthier for Emma to go to Storybrooke 11 years early than for her to birth Henry in jail, the point that RumplesGirl made was valid as usual.
However here’s a what if scenario for you all: What if, insead of August coming to Baelfire at the terrible timing moment that he had, August had come to Neal the day before. Neal could have gone in, knowing that he would be sent back to prison, and Emma could have given birth (well not in a hospital they could not have afforded that) but in a hotel room, or in the bug.
That way Emma would still have the question about adopting Henry but not have the scars of jail.
Magic always comes with a price, so I pay with visa.
January 20, 2014 at 6:39 am #238694PriceofMagicParticipantI think it’s possible that everything had to happen like it did in order for Emma to fulfil her destiny as saviour. If Emma didn’t go to jail then, what’s to say the universe wouldn’t have course corrected to put her back on the right track. August ran away from his duty so he was course corrected by being turned back into wood.
Of all the babies Gold could’ve chosen for Regina, he just so happened to choose Henry? The storybook appeared in MM’s closet, just at the right time to be given to Henry when he was starting to wonder about his family? David and MM always ran in to each other even when they were trying to actively avoid each other? Things that were meant to be happened so that Emma could fulfil her destiny.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixJanuary 20, 2014 at 9:46 am #238733SlurpeezParticipantSome people understand fate differently. 1) For some people, if something is fated, it means it’s bound to happen, no matter what choices an individual makes. So, if your fate is to become an Olympian, then it’ll happen, no matter what. However, this thinking is flawed in my opinion, because even if a person is born with raw athletic talent, a person must train to be a top athlete on a global scale.
2) For other people, there is a looser, broader interpretation of what it means for a person to forge his or her own destiny, in which case, nothing is absolutely set in stone. I wrote an essay about whether or not a person can change his fate with regards to Rumple that some might find interesting.
I’m of the opinion that while a person might be meant to meet certain people or to be born in a certain family, one’s personal fate still depends on a person’s beliefs and actions. Emma could have kept Henry, and things would’ve been different, as we’re seeing now with her implanted memories of a fake life. Yet, her mind would have been closed to belief in magic, since the reason for her belief was the result of Henry eating the poisoned apple turnover, which brought about his asymptomatic death. Emma’s beliefs had to be challenged for her to accept her role as the savior. If it hadn’t been for Henry being the adoptive son of the Evil Queen, then the apple turnover incident never would’ve happened, and Emma’s disbelief in magic would’ve prevented her from believing in the curse or her own power to break it. To me, it had to be the case that Emma’s son came and found her at age 10 for Emma to return and stay in SB out of concern for her kid.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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