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March 26, 2014 at 12:18 am #255704CorbinParticipant
Okay, before I write this all out, I must include a disclaimer. Though I do ship SF, this is not influenced by my ship preference. This is based purely on set photos, spoilers, and what has been shown on screen.Also, I do not mean for this to offend anyone. Heck, I doubt this will even pan (yes, pun intended) out. Anyway, here we go!
Okay, we all know that Hook has been acting suspicious around everyone since 3×12. Now, he has changed his story many times throughout the last three episodes. He has even admitted to Emma that he is hiding something, yet he won’t share what happened during the Lost Year. I believe that he is working for Zelena. However, it might not be so intentional.
I think Hook was promised by a kind Zelena a way to win Emma’s heart, possibly by breaking the laws of magic. Now, why would Zelena want to break the laws of magic? To do the one thing we’ve all been speculating on: bring back Cora, our beloved, malevolent, heart-clutching (literally) woman, from the land of the dead.
We’ve seen the idea of breaking the laws of magic occur on Once Upon a Time in Wonderland, with Jafar attempting to do so with the genies. However, though we’ve heard of the laws of magic on Once proper, we’ve never seen anyone being stopped by them or trying to break them. Now, I think the writers were using our beloved, yet ill-fated, show to test out the idea of breaking the laws of magic to see if it would be a good idea for the main show. Yes, I know Adam has said that they pitched the entire season as a whole, but things could change. Zelena’s motivation could be one of them.
Going back to Hook, here are the reasons I think he’s working with Zelena:
- He has changed his story of how he got the memory potion multiple times. Now, this could easily be a writer error, but considering the two episodes that he mentioned the story were written by the strongest and most involved writers of the show (Adam & Eddy and Jane), I doubt it. He’s hiding something, yet we don’t know what.
- He admitted to Emma that he was hiding what was happening during his past year, yet he refuses to share what it is. I think that he’s refusing to tell Emma that he is working for Zelena as he’s a.) sure that he’ll run off to her parents, confess who Zelena is, then they’ll work to defeat them and ruin her plan or b.) he wants to make her like him as much as possible because he thinks she’ll just go along with him instead of him having to resort to breaking the laws of magic to get Emma’s love.
- When Emma was about to break into Rumple’s cellar, he stopped her just at that moment. Now, the camera lingered on their hands for a second longer, possibly signifying something. I think that he knew Rumple was down there, and he was told to not let anyone through. He didn’t try stopping them when the Charmings and Regina went down because he saw that Rumple had already escaped, so he knew there was nothing he could do.
- His line in 3×12, “I tried the hero thing, it didn’t take.” This could go a long way, as it could foreshadow his possible defacting.
Now, also supporting this theory is that, in 3×17, “The Jolly Roger,” there is a scene of Zelena in her witch outfit, Hook, and Ariel. Now, we know (as of 3×13, “Witch Hunt”) that two of these three people have had a connection to Cora. Now, I think Ariel is there for a specific reason: she knew Cora.
In the past, we’re never given any indication as to how old mermaids can live for. However, I believe that mermaids can live for a very long time (especially since they can travel between realms, which means that Ariel could have spent some time in Neverland). Perhaps Ariel might appear in 3×18 and Johanna filmed a scene for that episode in studio? I know, it could be considered a stretch, but I think it’s possible. I also think that they’re all there because Zelena needs as much information of Cora as possible. Yes, a stretch, but as RG would say, “Emma dated a monkey.”
Now, I am not here to make every Hook fan mad. Which, while there is evidence to support that he’s working for Zelena, I also believe that he’s working for someone different: Rumple.
We know that Rumple tends to do a bunch of research on different things after he experiences them firsthand (i.e. dreamshade), so he could have done some research on memory potions when he got back to Storybrooke from Neverland. I think that, if it wasn’t Zelena who gave Hook the memory potion, it was Rumple who sent it to Hook’s ship with instructions on what to do. In those instructions, he told Hook not to give a straight story out of fear that Zelena would find out. This would fit in well with how Hook got Neal’s address, so I think it could work.
Like I said, this is just a theory based on an array of things. Just my speculation! 🙂
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March 26, 2014 at 12:26 am #255705RumplesGirlKeymasterNow, I am not here to make every Hook fan mad. Which, while there is evidence to support that he’s working for Zelena, I also believe that he’s working for someone different: Rumple.
Yeah. If (and this is a big IF) Hook is working for Zelena I think he’s working “diagonally” meaning he’s working against her by working for her. I can’t see him working for Zelena by choice unless he knew he could beat her at her own game.
Working for Rumple is an interesting idea but we’re not sure how sane he is right now or ever. Time will tell. There is another option.
Neal.
I think (and until proven otherwise) will continue to think that Neal and Hook are working together. Neal and Belle bring back Rumple. Neal looses his heart or the totem of his heart to the Witch but keeps a semblance of free will (just like Graham could make his own decisions when his heart was in the vault). Neal joins Rumple in being locked up but Neal remains SANE. Neal learns of Zelena’s plan but underestimates how in control she is. Neal gets word to Hook with a potion, “get to Emma. Do whatever you have to do. Just get to her and get her home. Her family is in danger.” But Neal has one additional request, “don’t tell Emma. If she knows I’m in danger, it’s a distraction. She’ll want to go after Henry’s father and right now her focus needs to be on saving SB and her family. So lie to her. Do what you have to, but keep this secret”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 26, 2014 at 12:32 am #255706CorbinParticipantNeal was a thought that went through my mind, mostly because of the address. But I’m not sure, as I need more evidence to suggest that. However, it is a possibility.Keeper of Thor’s Hammer, Will Scarlet’s Genie Bottle, Emma’s Gun, Emma and Henry’s Moment at the Castle, Cora, and the infamous Family Tree!
March 26, 2014 at 12:56 am #255709TheWatcherParticipantbring back Cora, our beloved, malevolent, heart-clutching (literally) woman, from the land of the dead.
I have two problems with this: 1.) Zelena clearly wasnt aware Cora was dead, nor did she seem to have any interest in the matter. She basically goes, “Oh really, she’s dead? hmm, well i only needed u anyway, Regina” when regina told her. Why would she WANT to revive Cora? Again, Zelena is going after Regina. 2.) This is already being done on WL. And we know for a fact that Jafar will succeed in changing the laws soon, so i dont want this to be the case on Once. Idk. It would seem like a rehash to me.
think Ariel is there for a specific reason: she knew Cora
Alice did say she and Cyrus swam with mermaids…
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The other problem is that not everyone who watched ONCE is watching WL. Not to say they couldn’t break the laws on ONCE without introducing WL but if they dive straight in, non-WL viewers will be lost.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 26, 2014 at 1:42 am #255711kfchimeraParticipantIts an interesting theory Corbin but I have to agree it could only be a “diagonally” sort of situation.
I’ve been pondering that for awhile. We have Wicked. We have our heroes, but in S1, we had 3 separate camps more or less. Regina, destroying people’s happines. Emma and the Charmings–finding their lost family. Then there was Rumple, secretly trying to use that war to his own advantage to find his own family, little suspecting the twisted family wreath that would spring forth and unite them all. Or maybe he knew and that’s why he went insane, but I digress.
So this season we have Wicked, our heroes–but could someone be using this battle for their own purposes? Neal and Hook both spring to mind as someone with incentive to cross worlds potentially at the expense of others, particularly if so to speak, they weren’t causing the calamity, just taking advantage of something already in motion. I do think Neal has had a strong moral center in the past, so I feel its out of character for him actively choose to work with Wicked, to team up with someone who has questionable morals and aims. Hook on the other hand, much as I cannot see him wanting to directly harm Emma, does have this history of working with whoever can help him achieve what he wants, without really questioning his associates goals–except to the extent it might affect his goals of course. He changed goals as he entered NL from revenge to winning Emma–but did he change his concept of what’s honorable, his pirate’s sensibility ? He’s not going to do something that Emma might reject him for doing–unless he can do it without her knowing about it.
It’s possible he gave up his ship to get to Emma, but it is also possible he found out his ship had been taken over by someone and that to get it back, he had to do a favor for someone who needed to trap Emma in SB. The question I have is I can’t see Walsh being sent by the same person who might want to lure Emma to SB to trap her.
Wicked did have more than one flying monkey, as one was turned into a stuffed animal. So maybe Walsh was the one who attacked Regina and took the blood, but then we have to ask the question: How did he get to NYC? Did he fly to NL, then to the world without magic? Regina seemed sure there was no way to travel without that curse, but really we heard out-of-show about “adjacent worlds” and why would the world without magic stop being adjacent to NL and NL to EF if all that structure was in place long before Regina’ s curse ever took place?
So I don’t know. I like the idea of Hook and Neal working together, perhaps both playing the Wicked but its also possible one is her unwitting pawn or willing ally. Maybe there’s a troop of free Monkeys, led by Walsh, who have their own agenda. All I know is, whoever sent that note to Hook doesn’t seem to have the same goal as the person who deployed Walsh. One wanted Emma to come to SB, and one wanted to keep her away from it. It makes the most sense right now that Wicked sent Walsh, so I think it cuts against assuming Hook is somehow mixed up with Wicked too.
There’s just one more thing though. I wonder how Walsh knew about the potion. Emma doesn’t tell him HOW she got her memories back or even that she did. She just says to him that she has family stuff and has to go, and he immediately says “I wish you hadn’t taken that potion”. I found that a little curious. (appropriate for a monkey I guess!)
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