Jennifer – that article was HILARIOUS. Thank you! I hear you, @Rumplegoldfan. I don’t think people will boycott, @Jennifer. Well…they might. And honestly, if you lose favor with the show, don’t watch, that’s your prerogative, but in the end this is an ensemble show. I like certain characters, love others…except for Pan and the WW, don’t really hate any (and really, I love to hate the WW!) – but I watch the show for the show, not just for Hook and/or CS. If they had killed off my favorite, yes, I’d be mad and sad. But I’d still watch. Because I’m here for the story. I think when you have shows with a large ensemble, you almost have to keep yourself from falling too in love with one character – because anything can happen. It’s not like when it’s the Joe Schmo Show – without Joe Schmo, there is no show…(ok, that’s a lot of rhyming, sorry for that!) I do feel for those that are hurting though. I do hope they come back when they’re ready. I am certainly not trying to belittle anyone’s pain or sadness. I liked Neal, and I am feeling a little spoiled because my favorite was spared. So I am conflicted. I’ve been angry from the beginning that Neal’s storyline felt the least fleshed out and most contrived. Why did he HAVE to leave Emma and let her go to jail? Never got a good answer for that one. What was Neal doing during the 11 years he was separated from Emma/Henry? Dunno, they never really let us know. How are we supposed to understand that he loved Tamara and intended to marry her but loved Emma and wasn’t going to stop fighting? Ok, that’s just sloppy writing. And I am miserable about not getting some quality CaptainFire!! MRJ acted the heck out of what he was given though. People are going to hate what they hate and see what they see. But I liked how they handled Neal in relation to CS in this episode. He seemed…to understand CS, and that it is going to happen. Maybe he knew he was going to die – and I’m not entirely sure he knew…? Maybe because he loves Emma and wants what’s best – and realizes there’s too much that’s happened with him and Emma to really ever go back? I don’t know. But I did get the sense that CS will happen, Neal would be supportive of it, and we will see CS respect and honor the fact that Neal was important to both Emma & Hook. I’m looking forward to Hook & Henry bonding next week…but at the same time, not looking forward to it. You know there’s going to be backlash. But like this episode, I guess you just have to watch out for the hate and dismiss it… I will say, I am quite happy this forum didn’t seem to fall apart at it’s seams after yesterday’s episode. There was a lot of emotion, and it was tense at times, but I didn’t see any real disrespect or accusations when I was on. That made me happy.
Jennifer – that article was HILARIOUS. Thank you! I hear you, @Rumplegoldfan. I don’t think people will boycott, @Jennifer. Well…they might. And honestly, if you lose favor with the show, don’t watch, that’s your prerogative, but in the end this is an ensemble show. I like certain characters, love others…except for Pan and the WW, don’t really hate any (and really, I love to hate the WW!) – but I watch the show for the show, not just for Hook and/or CS. If they had killed off my favorite, yes, I’d be mad and sad. But I’d still watch. Because I’m here for the story. I think when you have shows with a large ensemble, you almost have to keep yourself from falling too in love with one character – because anything can happen. It’s not like when it’s the Joe Schmo Show – without Joe Schmo, there is no show…(ok, that’s a lot of rhyming, sorry for that!) I do feel for those that are hurting though. I do hope they come back when they’re ready. I am certainly not trying to belittle anyone’s pain or sadness. I liked Neal, and I am feeling a little spoiled because my favorite was spared. So I am conflicted. I’ve been angry from the beginning that Neal’s storyline felt the least fleshed out and most contrived. Why did he HAVE to leave Emma and let her go to jail? Never got a good answer for that one. What was Neal doing during the 11 years he was separated from Emma/Henry? Dunno, they never really let us know. How are we supposed to understand that he loved Tamara and intended to marry her but loved Emma and wasn’t going to stop fighting? Ok, that’s just sloppy writing. And I am miserable about not getting some quality CaptainFire!! MRJ acted the heck out of what he was given though. People are going to hate what they hate and see what they see. But I liked how they handled Neal in relation to CS in this episode. He seemed…to understand CS, and that it is going to happen. Maybe he knew he was going to die – and I’m not entirely sure he knew…? Maybe because he loves Emma and wants what’s best – and realizes there’s too much that’s happened with him and Emma to really ever go back? I don’t know. But I did get the sense that CS will happen, Neal would be supportive of it, and we will see CS respect and honor the fact that Neal was important to both Emma & Hook.
THIS!!! Great post 🙂
I don’t think that’s right either. Like I said before, if Hook was killed off I would really have to force myself to continue watching the show but I fell in love with OUaT before I started shipping any of the couples or had a favorite character so I WOULD make myself keep watching. I know that eventually I would get into it again and would find a new couple to probably ship.
I’m exactly the same.
I’m sure I will end up hurting any SF shippers who read this, I don’t mean to but I’m sure I will. We’ve talked a lot about how we often feel like we are watching a completely different show than the SF shippers because we don’t see any of the same things that they see when it comes to a romantic relationship between Emma and Neal, or Neal being much more than a plot device. I think this is especially hard right now. I honestly still feel that there was nothing in the show that was ever done to make anyone think that Neal and Emma were going to end up together and I still don’t feel that Neal’s character was ever developed at all. I think all things Neal really took place back when he was Bae or when it was shown what he did to make Emma so closed off and emotionally scarred. So to me having Neal die was emotional because it was acted well and it was Henry’s dad, Rumple’s son, Emma’s ex, etc. but it didn’t really CHANGE anything that was currently happening or that was going to happen. But because the SF shippers seemed to see all this stuff that we just never saw, his death is something that has such a MAJOR impact on the show and has COMPLETELY changed what they thought was already happening and what was going to happen that OUaT isn’t even the same show anymore. That is really sad to me but I still don’t think it’s right to boycott the show because, quite honestly, I still don’t see how anyone could believe that Neal was a major character on the show. I think the IDEA of Neal might have been a major character but Neal himself was not. And I think that the SF shippers might have been shipping the IDEA of Neal with Emma not the actual character that A and E had created with her. So much of what they talked about was the relationship that they had back when Emma was 17 – that relationship didn’t exist anymore. And there was talk of hope and family – but they were NEVER going to have a happy little family because of Henry’s messed up family tree/past adoption/sharing with Regina/what about when Regina gets married situation anyway. And hope for what exactly? That you can get back together with your ex-boyfriend?? Why does hope only mean going BACK to something and not TOWARD something? So I thing a lot of the shock is from seeing things that just were not there. Now, I completely agree that the death was handled way to abruptly. No Neal at all, then he is back for an episode, then he dies in a really weird way saying he FINALLY understands what it means to sacrifice??? But I don’t like that people are trying to get together a boycott. And these are the same people who complain that A and E only do things to make the fandom happy and that they should tell their story and not listen to the fans. Yet when they don’t get what they want they are boycotting now??
I want to marry this post lol 😉 All this exactly!
I’m sure I will end up hurting any SF shippers who read this, I don’t mean to but I’m sure I will. We’ve talked a lot about how we often feel like we are watching a completely different show than the SF shippers because we don’t see any of the same things that they see when it comes to a romantic relationship between Emma and Neal, or Neal being much more than a plot device. I think this is especially hard right now. I honestly still feel that there was nothing in the show that was ever done to make anyone think that Neal and Emma were going to end up together and I still don’t feel that Neal’s character was ever developed at all. I think all things Neal really took place back when he was Bae or when it was shown what he did to make Emma so closed off and emotionally scarred. So to me having Neal die was emotional because it was acted well and it was Henry’s dad, Rumple’s son, Emma’s ex, etc. but it didn’t really CHANGE anything that was currently happening or that was going to happen. But because the SF shippers seemed to see all this stuff that we just never saw, his death is something that has such a MAJOR impact on the show and has COMPLETELY changed what they thought was already happening and what was going to happen that OUaT isn’t even the same show anymore. That is really sad to me but I still don’t think it’s right to boycott the show because, quite honestly, I still don’t see how anyone could believe that Neal was a major character on the show. I think the IDEA of Neal might have been a major character but Neal himself was not. And I think that the SF shippers might have been shipping the IDEA of Neal with Emma not the actual character that A and E had created with her. So much of what they talked about was the relationship that they had back when Emma was 17 – that relationship didn’t exist anymore. And there was talk of hope and family – but they were NEVER going to have a happy little family because of Henry’s messed up family tree/past adoption/sharing with Regina/what about when Regina gets married situation anyway. And hope for what exactly? That you can get back together with your ex-boyfriend?? Why does hope only mean going BACK to something and not TOWARD something? So I thing a lot of the shock is from seeing things that just were not there. Now, I completely agree that the death was handled way to abruptly. No Neal at all, then he is back for an episode, then he dies in a really weird way saying he FINALLY understands what it means to sacrifice??? But I don’t like that people are trying to get together a boycott. And these are the same people who complain that A and E only do things to make the fandom happy and that they should tell their story and not listen to the fans. Yet when they don’t get what they want they are boycotting now??
Thats good to hear- I havent caught up on any interviews yet, but I really like that Emma & Killian just sort of end up in a ‘silent’ relationship before either of them really realizes it or states it is official, kind of thing- As you say, since 3B they pretty much have been a couple- it just hasnt been openly confirmed (Regina’s NL “Boyfriend” remark not withstanding) & they arent sleeping together…. yet 😉