What sort of message is that Marty?
What kind of message? The same message the writers sent by telling us that Baelfire’s character is dead forever. That this show is about hopelessness and futility, or in other words, a tragic tale. In literature, there is only one way a tragedy ends: in tragedy. More and more horrible things happen to all the characters until the story comes to its’ tragic conclusion. Have you ever read Antigone by Sophecles? It was a tragedy ending in a tragedy, just like it’s supposed to end.
I get you’re upset about Neal, nobody wanted Neal to die at all, but the show was not all about Neal, it is not about any one character. Let me ask you this, if Neal had lived and someone else had died, should all the other characters suffer for the rest of their days including Neal? Rumple “died” in 311
You say that Neal is not the main part of the story, however, I see Neal as the driving force to the entire story. He is the symbol of hope in this story. But anyway, let me just explain where I am coming from:
First of all to make it clear: I AM NOT A NEAL FAN. I never was a Neal fan, I wanted to smack him upside the head with a harry potter book a couple of times. I am a very big Rumple fan, though, and according to me, (I know some people disagree) Rumple has been a true hero from the beginning. From the time he was happily married to Milah, having earned himself a better name despite having grown up at the shadow of his coward father.
Image is everything on this show, and when Rumple sacrificed that image, when he ruined his good name KNOWINGLY (he knew what happens to people who injure themselves to get away from fighting – they are branded COWARDS=the thing he feared MOST was being branded a coward) just to return home to a child he has never even met yet, to me this has been an enormous sacrifice.
So yes, ever since I saw that episode where we find out the REASON he left the war he has been my hero.
(another reason I was laughing when Pan was complaining that Rumple “pulled away at his NAME” lol he was basically listing all the things that Rumple worked so hard to change because of him, and those same things that he sacrificed later for HIS son)
So why can I not watch anymore of this show? Why do I believe that the only way this show can end is in tragedy (yes, for ALL the characters)? Because I am a Neal fan? I am not.
I remember when we were speculating who the death would be. Some people were sure it would be Neal, and I was not willing to believe it of these (so far) amazing writers. But my input was very short in that discussion. I said again and again: Writers, if the death is Neal, please, let Gold stay dead.
The whole reason of Gold’s existence was Bae. The reason he lived (he could have died honorably in the Ogre’s wars) and the reason he died. The reason he sacrificed again and again his own happiness, his own peace of mind, his own safety, he even sacrificed his soul (became the dark one) was for his child, Baelfire. And again in this last episode (315) he sacrificed his freedom, his self.
(((oh, and by the way, Rumple didn’t “die” he really died. his sacrifice was REAL, and he should have stayed dead.)))
So what message does this send? That after ALL THIS SACRIFICE his son still died. After centuries of working on a way for his son to have a chance at happiness, his son gets NO happiness. So what is the message here?
The message is this: no matter how great a hero you’ve been, Rumple, your entire life, no matter how hard you worked no matter what hel you’ve been through, just to ensure that your son is happy, it will not matter.
It’s all for nothing.
Your efforts are futile. Don’t bother to love. Don’t bother to sacrifice for love. Just don’t bother, because it’s hopeless.
So there you go. Rumbelle can’t ever possibly ever have any kind of happiness. Rumple is beyond any possibility of consoling, beyond any possibility of alleviating the pain. He is done for. And Belle, well, even if she didn’t have a hand in his death, with her “beast” so dead to the world, how could she ever be happy?
In addition, even though I am totally against silly shipping, I pay attention to the STORY and the writers made it clear that Emma loves Neal, they are true love (even though Regina has more “chemistry” with her) so Emma having lost her own true love after telling him that she was hoping he was DEAD (in neverland), you know, guilty feelings’ got no rhythm…
This has basically been set up as a tragedy, and if the writers will have the actors pretend for the characters that they CAN be happy, well, it doesn’t ring true.
No, it won’t be bittersweet either. It can’t be. Not in this story.
t’s the most tragic tragedy to have ever been written
aside from us diehard oncers who checked out BTS spoilers and such, as far as the general audience and characters knew Rumple was dead. Did that stop Snowing from getting their happy ending? No. Should Neal have never got his happy ending because his dad was dead? No.
absolutely not. I totally agree that EVERYONE should have gotten their happy ending if Gold had stayed dead. he died for that reason, that everyone would get a happy life. but he didn’t just die for that. the difference here is, he LIVED for that. this was his life’s work. of course everyone sould gat a happy ending. HE, Gold, got a happy ending. his end was a happy one. he was successful. he DID IT!! he saved his son, he made sure his son knew that he was loved, he made sure his son had a chance at happiness. HE WON!!
but now… now Pan won. now, as Pan always wanted, he will “just make another kid with his fertile Belle” Now, as Pan always wanted, Hook or Regina or (fill in the blank) will take Emma and “pick up the pieces”
or whether it was BTS issues and what not, there is no need to make other characters suffer just because the death wasn’t who you wanted it to be.
other characters ARE ALREADY SUFFERING! there is no way it will be believed that they aren’t. as hard as the writers and actors will try it, it will either destroy their credibility as characters, or it will make the audience frustrated, and will stop caring for the characters altogether.
when one reads a story (or watches tv or whatever) they like to identify with the characters. no viewer with a heart or a brain will ever identify with the characters who aren’t completely inconsolable to their child’s death. there is no relief for Gold. none. no where to go from here. his whole story made it clear.
it’s equivalent to Regina’s losing Henry.
a never ending cycle of tragedy.
and poor Rumple can’t even commit suicide to end his misery.