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November 9, 2014 at 11:18 pm #289565
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KeymasterThis has been bothering me since I watched the episode, but also since last weeks episode when the Rock Troll spilled the beans. Was Gerda RIGHT to take away everyone’s memories of Helga and Ingrid in Arendelle? This is more or less the first decision she makes as Queen or Regent. So…yay or nay?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 9, 2014 at 11:31 pm #289567Phee
ParticipantWell, I can see her reasoning in that the whole kingdom would potentially come unstuck if word got out that the heir to the throne killed her sister with uncontrollable ice magic, so it’s possibly better for the stability of their country to have everyone forget.
But taking away people’s memories against their will, even Gerda herself being willing to forget that she ever had sisters…that’s pretty harsh and extreme.
If the Duke hadn’t seen it happen they could have just concocted a cover story of how both sisters were killed in a tragic accident. Really, they only had to remove HIS memory of that moment, and as long as he hadn’t blabbed to anyone yet they could have covered it up.
November 10, 2014 at 1:53 am #289591Keb
ParticipantHonestly, even to keep with the mythology of the movie this wasn’t a necessary move storytelling-wise. To make the plot of “wait, who the heck is this woman?” work, yeah, they needed to wipe memories. And it’s getting a little old…I couldn’t stop thinking about how lame it was to have Regina drink a memory potion so she wouldn’t undo all of S1 by knowing who Emma was from the start.
But that’s a writer issue, not a character issue, so Gerda’s choice:
1. There are bound to be questions and some of those might lead to serious questions about her legitimacy as a ruler. After all, she just put the rightful heir/queen in a jar, and with the other sister dead, she took over the kingdom with that act. Ingrid, who was going to run away in the first place, may well have agreed with Gerda’s becoming queen at the time, but the people might not understand that (and what proof would they have?)
2. Gerda’s scared. She just lost her sisters–one in self defense from the one who killed the other. She may not be thinking through all the repercussions. I think in some ways it’s on Grand Pabbie to make the better long-term decision here…so it’s possible that there’s more to the political situation he and Gerda are seeing that we, focused as we are on the princesses, don’t see. Grand Pabbie seconds the motion and carries it through, though…so it’s not JUST Gerda doing it.
Even so…I’m not sure such an extreme act was justified. It’s certainly historically supported, though–plenty of cases where subsequent rulers did their best to eradicate predecessors from public memory. Obviously they didn’t have magic to completely do so, but there are Egyptian examples where the face of a particular ruler has been scratched off lots of monuments. Defacing, you see?
In this case, Gerda was doing it out of fear of what people would think (leading to possible unrest/uprising against her) and fear of what had just happened (maybe someone would bring Ingrid back…and Ingrid just became very, very scary).
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November 10, 2014 at 7:19 am #289611TheWatcher
ParticipantI think it was a convenient choice….. People would have suspected foul play if one heir to throne died, and another just disappeared. Not a good way to start reigning. So while I think it was a horrible thing to do, in the same way that Regina took the memories of everyone in her kingdom, I understand why she did it. I feel that she should have revealed the truth to her daughters though, but that’s another story.
Like Phee said, she could have come up with another plan but is lying any beter? Well….maybe it is. But then again, The Duke DID see them. No matter what she said happened, he would have told others and they would think she was witch too, which is bad… Idk. I think its something that had to be done.
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