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March 25, 2015 at 5:13 pm #299869SlurpeezParticipant
The BBC mini-series Poldark is airing in England now and is set to come to America on PBS in June, 2015! Fans of The Hobbit will recognize actor Aidan Turner, who played Kili. He is now portraying the namesake of the series, Ross Poldark. Here’s the trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTFkUa6y64o
Aidan Turner as Ross Poldark:
Aidan Turner as Kili in The Hobbit film trilogy:
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
March 25, 2015 at 9:28 pm #299905JosephineParticipantThis is definitely a show we need to watch this summer. 😉 Although I hope we have a have a better track record with this than we usually do with Summer fare. Although, it’s a BBC/PBS production so that is a thousand points in its favor. 😛
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March 26, 2015 at 7:05 am #299918onceaholicParticipantOoh good to know 😉
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March 27, 2015 at 8:12 pm #300036Amy41Participant*Gasp* WE HAVE A POLDARK THREAD!!!!!!! (Reasons why I love this forum)
So watching it in the UK and completely and utterly loving this show and its a shame none of my room mates watch this show too but any of you planning to watch it in the States will hopefully love it too.
I is very happy 😀
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June 22, 2015 at 5:08 pm #305513RumplesGirlKeymasterJust finished watching the opening episode (it just aired in the USA so…no spoilers, British folk!)
It’s your standard Masterpiece theater piece, which isn’t to say anything negative. I liked Aidan Turner (have known him previously in Being Human before he was in the Hobbit…incidentally, also starred Michael Socha, though they were in different seasons) as Ross Poldark. A bit of a brooding, Heathcliff type of figure—the story is more reminiscent of Bronte than it is of Austen (saw too many critics comparing Poldark to Darcy and didn’t think that was true). But as Wuthering Heights happens to be my favorite book, I’ll take it. Can’t get too much of a read on Demelza yet. I like that she’s rougher around the edges than Elizabeth was. Not a lady, but an urchin.
The costumes were really good. The dialogue could have been a bit snazzier, more snappy. Even though I haven’t read the books, there is a certain way Victorian English talk and it more often than not is replicated quite well on film, but it felt that this trait was lacking in the premiere. Not that the dialogue wasn’t good but it didn’t have that flair I associate with British period pieces. Oh, the sets/scenery were to die for….almost forgot that one. It is to Cornwall/British countryside as Outlander is to the Scottish highlands.
I will say this though, PBS Masterpiece Theater knows their audience. They know that the majority of their audience are young/middle age women who are perfectly okay with long shots of Aidan Turner brooding and looking contemplative against a lush British sky. It’s all well and good but if they rely on that as opposed to dialogue and character development then I might get a bit more frowny. Handsome men are great–I have no problem with letting my heterosexual female gaze have it just rewards–but it’s all about the story in the end. Still, it’s only one episode in so my criticism is just a passing thought moving forward.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"June 22, 2015 at 10:09 pm #305518RumplesGirlKeymasterWhoops: not Victorian times. 100 years prior, as was pointed out to me by Jo and Slurpeez. My bad. However, the dialogue critique stands.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"June 22, 2015 at 10:11 pm #305519SlurpeezParticipantRoss Poldark. A bit of a brooding, Heathcliff type of figure—the story is more reminiscent of Bronte than it is of Austen (saw too many critics comparing Poldark to Darcy and didn’t think that was true). But as Wuthering Heights happens to be my favorite book, I’ll take it
I’ve always slightly preferred the Brontes to Austen. While Poldark does also remind me of Heathcliff, I think he’s a bit softer around the edges than he first lets on, much like Rochester. Being a red coat and a prisoner of war changed him (though he was always a bit of a scoundrel, even in his youth, hence why he became a solider). Finding out that his first love has become engaged to another, and to his cousin, no less, certainly makes Poldark into a darker, brooding sort.
Can’t get too much of a read on Demelza yet.
I like that she’s rougher around the edges than Elizabeth was. Not a lady, but an urchin.Demelza is my favorite character. She very much reminds me of Eliza Doolittle (but with a bit more depth). As for Elizabeth, I really don’t care for her aloofness too much or her cold treatment of Ross, though shes does have some admirable traits. Verity is certainly my second-favorite female after Demelza.
The costumes were really good. The dialogue could have been a bit snazzier, more snappy. Even though I haven’t read the books, there is a certain way Victorian English talk and it more often than not is replicated quite well on film, but it felt that this trait was lacking in the premiere. Not that the dialogue wasn’t good but it didn’t have that flair I associate with British period pieces. Oh, the sets/scenery were to die for….almost forgot that one. It is to Cornwall/British countryside as Outlander is to the Scottish highlands.
I hear you. I like the common folks’ talk. It feels more authentic. I think the servants like Jud Paynte and his wife are great characters. They remind me a bit of Dickens’ working-class characters. Demelza exudes this common woman appeal.
I will say this though, PBS Masterpiece Theater knows their audience. They know that the majority of their audience are young/middle age women who are perfectly okay with long shots of Aidan Turner brooding and looking contemplative against a lush British sky
I’m perfectly okay with Aidan Turner.
. It’s all well and good but if they rely on that as opposed to dialogue and character development then I might get a bit more frowny. Handsome men are great–I have no problem with letting my heterosexual female gaze have it just rewards–but it’s all about the story in the end. Still, it’s only one episode in so my criticism is just a passing thought moving forward.
Give it some time. It’s period drama after all. See, Poldark isn’t a huge magical fantasy time-travel story. It’s about a man who comes from the upper class but has a heart for the common man. He’s a rebel with a heart and a cause. Poldark is more akin to Dickens with class struggle, family rivalry, and an examination of love, along with other themes being at the heart of it, set in a real time in a real place. There is a lot of character development to be had, but all in good time.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
June 29, 2015 at 9:24 am #305653SlurpeezParticipantI belong here.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
June 29, 2015 at 12:15 pm #305656RumplesGirlKeymasterPoldark Episode 2 (or: dude, you’ve known her for five minutes)
As you might be able to guess from the inserted and secondary title, my biggest issue in this weeks episode was the rather light speed-esque romance (doomed, granted) between Verity and her sea captain. More on that in a bit.
Overall, I liked this episode. I enjoy seeing Ross trying to strike out on his own and reopen the mines. Ross Poldark in and of himself is a captivating figure, none too content to simply live the life he is “supposed” to live. He’s a gambler and he’s taking one heck of a risk on this mine–but the genre being what it is, I suspect the gamble will pay off. The business end of all this is interesting as well, especially since Ross thought to get in bed with (no pun intended) Francis, someone who sees Ross as a rival of sorts by episode end. Will their coldly cordial relationship become warmer since Ross helped save Francis’s life?
The music and costume on the show continue to be great, as do the landscape shots. Ah, the English country-and-sea-side. Seat of romance….of the wrong kind, apparently! A lot of this episode was devoted to “wrong” romances–Elizabeth and Ross, Verity and the Captain, Ross and the lady of the night, Ross and the woman clearly trying to woo him.Popular guy, our Ross.
Elizabeth…bugs, though perhaps more so because I have conflicted feelings over her rather than outright dislike of her character. On the one hand, I do feel somewhat bad for her given that she clearly loved Ross but circumstances were what they were. However, there is something so passive and frail about her that you can’t help but compare her to the other ladies around Ross, be it Verity (who seems to accept her plain-Jane looks and spinster fate with good cheer but when an opportunity presents itself to move out of that “unfortunate” status, she makes her own moves for her own happiness and does not sit idly by, again more on that in a bit) or Demelza who rips off her apron to stem the bloody tide of a dual (to Ross’s admiration!) I suppose Elizabeth bugs me because I obviously lean more toward the outwardly strong females and I think she’s doing a poor job of cooling Ross’s ardor and lingering feelings (really, those smiles at the dance!) by not pushing him away, but by the same token she’s a proper lady (and thus has to exist within a certain set of social constraints) and Ross isn’t helping the situation by constantly wanting to tangle (or tango? pun this time very much intended) with her and thus Elizabeth gets some pity from me as well. She has a different kind of strength, is the best way to put it, I guess.
And speaking of bad romance, Verity and her captain, eh? There was a lot of laughter coming from me over this situation because it happened faster than one could imagine and ended in such a melodramatic way. Yes, it fits the genre of literature where secondary romances often bloom quite rapidly and without the two people having known each other for very long, but this has to be a record. One conversation about shipping (pun!) and the Captain wants to speak to Verity’s father. There was a thing called courtship, y’know. Did the Captain really mean to kill his wife? I doubt it. You can always tell the scummy ones in these novels–Wickham reeks of “too good to be true” in P and P. Will Verity and her Captain come back together? I haven’t read the original works, so I don’t honestly know but the genre would suggest yes. Everyone always ends happy in these situations.
But in the other corner, representing good romance, we have the burgeoning story of Demelza and Ross (is there a ship name yet?). I like that Demelza knows her place and isn’t trying to be something she’s not. She knows that she’s not refined and not in the same league as those around her–except that in a lot of ways, she’s better. She is capable of being Ross’s equal in a way that neither of them imagined. She too can strike out on her own and “win the day.” She too wants to better herself (hence looking at Ross’s books, ect). She too can heal the injured and face down gore with nary an eye bat. She too can sit on a cliff side and enjoy a simple dinner (as opposed to Elizabeth in her dark house with the quiet–but obviously rich–dinner that doesn’t offer any of the easy joy Ross and Demelza are experiencing). Ross and Demelza both know their place; and I suspect soon enough they’ll realize that it’s with each other. I do hope for a little more interaction between the two now that some sort of…understanding…has been reached.
Look forward to next week!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"June 29, 2015 at 12:29 pm #305659SlurpeezParticipantWhere to begin? Not surprisingly, I really enjoyed watching this series. Episode two sets the tone of the rivalry between several characters:
-Ross Poldark and George Warleggan
-Elizabeth Poldark (nee Chynoweth) and Demelza Carne
-Ross and Francis Poldark
-Francis and Captain Andrew Blamey
-Ross and Verity vs Francis and Charles (when it comes to Blamey)Rivalry is both subtle and obvert in this episode. The duels of gentlemen were commonplace among the upper class during the 18th century, especially when it came to the “honor” of women. Verity, the lonely spinster, is the woman whose reputation is at stake. Whether or not Verity showed good sense in accepting the pursuit of Blamey is one thing, but whether Francis was foolhardy to challenge a navy captain such as Andrew Blamey is another thing indeed. Worse, Francis is showing he is not worthy as a new husband that he would risk his life so carelessly without regard for his new wife and unborn child. The hotheaded Francis is quickly disproving his competency as heir to his father’s estate and mine. Lacking his cousin Ross’ experience in the army, the assailable Francis shows poor and reckless judgement in picking a fight with an experienced man-at-arms. Francis, too impetuous, green, and incapable, shows he is ever inclined to be taken advantage of– something the conniving banker like George Warleggans is quick to assess.
George Warleggan is the son of a self-made man whose family’s less-than-honest banking tactics have a way of being the ruin of old, proud and prominent mine owners (as the start of the episode shows). The cunning Warleggans are shrewd-yet-dishonorable men whose methods of money-lending have led to the closing of mines all over Cornwall. Only Ross’ Uncle Charles’ mine, Grambler, remains open. Yet, as George is quick to pick up on, Francis is weak and no fit heir to Grambler. “These ancient families lack backbone.” George Warleggan is resentful and jealous of the family name Poldark, yet proud of his own father’s wealth. Though he may show a twinge of guilt about not extending a loan, his father is quick to remind George that they’re in the business of profit, not sentiment. As George soon discovers, however, not all men who share the family name of Poldark are cut from the same cloth.
Ross Poldark is everything his cousin Francis is not: a capable, honest, and business-savvy man of the world who is eager to prove himself. Ross has both the family name behind him, as well as the drive of the Warleggens to succeed. Yet, unlike the Warleggens family, Ross cares about the plight of the common man, and seeks to provide for his poorer tenants like Jim. Ross is a man of action who cannot afford to sit back and be idle like his cousin. Having seen war, been imprisoned, and orphaned, Ross is not entitled like his cousin, Francis. True, both cousins share the esteemed and ancient family name of Poldark, but Ross has inherited an estate in ruins, unlike Francis, whose father, Charles, still looms ever present over an in-tact and still profitable mining industry. Like Francis, Ross is passionate, but unlike his cousin, Ross shows far more regard for others and more common sense. He sets out to forge his own destiny. Ross cannot afford to be idle like Francis. He must earn his bread, for despite his privileged name, he is a man who is landed but without income.
Though both Poldark cousins take risks, they have very different tactics when it comes to making bets. Francis is a compulsive gambler who makes unwise bets and sinks into needless debt. Ross, on the other hand, isn’t a man of cards but of investment. Ross is determined to restore his father’s closed mine for in Cornwall, “mining is in the veins…’tis the bread of life.” Ross is motivated, willing to challenge the perceived notions of his day, and willing to help his good friend, Jim, who has neither family name nor fortune to elevate him. It’s true that Ross also can show a reckless abandon, such as when he hires a prostitute after being spurned by Elizabeth, but these flaws of impetuousness are tempered by very admirable aforementioned traits. As a former captain of the British army, Ross knows how to lead and how to inspire men. Not only does his name open doors to him in the upper branches of the community, but Poldark is also in touch with the common man. He is compassionate and understanding of Verity. Ross is also someone who is calm under pressure–something he learned on the battlefields of Virginia and which enabled Ross to save Francis’ life. Ross proves he puts family responsibility over any hard feelings Ross might have against Francis for marrying Elizabeth.
The women of the show also have an increasingly prominent role in the story. Though often seen at the margins, as women often were confined to the homestead in the late 18th century, Verity might be understood in light of her upbringing. As an unmarried daughter of a wealthy gentleman, Verity is in a delicate position. She cannot be expected to leave home without a husband, but nor can she earn her bread. She must remain at her father’s home, overseeing the household. As a spinster over the age of 23, she is a rank below her brother’s new wife, Elizabeth, and surely, Verity, plain as she is declared to be, cannot have much hope to escape the drudgery of her confinement through marriage. Though certainly of age, she cannot hope to overrule her father or her brother, for that matter, for he is to inherit and she is not (however better an heir she might in fact be). Is it any strange wonder that Verity jumps at the chance to be wed–whether or not the captain’s telling of his tragic background be true? It is a surprisingly quick courtship, but I suppose they fear disapproval. As it happens, the captain’s story of his first wife’s unintentional manslaughter rings true. Perhaps it is their loneliness, their mutual disappointment in love, that causes them to rush forward. Not to mention that the captain’s infamous history makes hims a less-than-desirable suitor in the eyes of Verity’s family. She is a Poldark after all, and cannot be expected to marry just anyone, even at her “advanced” age of 27 (or thereabouts). There is also that little thing about the captain killing his first wife to consider. Only Ross, who has also been convicted of a crime and lost a great love, seems willing to look past the mistake to try and understand the Captain Blamey’s true motives and help Verity.
As many high-born women of her day, Elizabeth shows she is ever the dutiful daughter and daughter-in-law who puts family expectations before her own heart. She is the quiet stoic type, ever a true lady who bears her disappointment in silence. She hardly ever reveals her true thoughts. Does Elizabeth still love Ross, the man to whom she was secretly engaged before he went to fight in the American War? Does she really love Francis, as she claims? She becomes engaged to Francis during the war when Ross is presumed dead. He returns in time to stop the wedding, but Elizabeth appears to spurn Ross (despite her apparent joy at his return), and she instead marries Francis. Why does she do this? After all, both men carry the coveted ancient family name of Poldark. And Elizabeth was after all the sweetheart of Ross before she was ever engaged to Francis. Yet, it would appear that Elizabeth had publicly declared her betrothal to Francis yet kept her prior understanding with Ross a secret. Therefore, as a woman, she is under a certain legal obligation to proceed with the marriage to Francis, lest her father’s good name and her reputation be ruined. Her father would then be expected to pay a sum to Charles Poldark for a broken betrothal. Moreover, Francis has his father’s wealth to inherit whereas Ross’ father has died penniless and his estate in shambles. In the eyes of Elizabeth’s family, Ross does not seem quite as good a catch as he might once have, being barely able to keep a roof over his head. A great lady like Elizabeth cannot be expected to go from riches to rags. Yet, something tells me Elizabeth may regret her choice of husband.
Then there is the loveable and surprisingly strong-willed street urchin Demelza, the daughter of nobody in particular, whose large, impoverished family have left her uncared for and in literal rags. She has no where else to go except to Ross. His compassion on a poor young woman prompts him to take her in and to employ her as his kitchen maid, providing her shelter and food. She knows her place, and her place is beside him, as she is quick to point out. Ross is the first person who’s ever paid her much heed, and as such, the young Demelza is, of course, drawn to him. Perchance she may in fact, also have taken a fancy to her her handsome, young and very unmarried benefactor who literally rescued her. He provided her with a home and sense of belonging that she’s been lacking all of her life. And despite barely being able to afford to keep a roof over his own head, Ross brought Demelza a beautiful cloak to boot–the nicest garment she’s probably ever worn let alone owned. She, in turn, is ever capable, loyal, quick-to-learn and not afraid to get her hands dirty. I look forward to their budding relationship, whether as master-servant, or as something more?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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