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In the episode, “Fall”, we learned a strand of hair can be used to reverse the curse of shattered sight. I think it is possible that Emma may reverse Lily’s curse…perhaps with a strand of hair or in some other way. If Emma reverses Lily’s curse a byproduct of that reversal would be the restoration of Emma’s own potential for darkness…thus setting the stage for Dark Swan. This is consistant with Emma’s character and sets the stage in a much more realistic way than just..”Emma going dark.” We don’t know if anyone else has been similarly cursed so we also have the potential for the restoration of other characters. This could make for an interesting twist in stories and even a possible alternate universe.
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The real question, for me, is whether or not anything actually *happened* when the Apprentice put on his show. Despite apparently casting out all the darkness, Emma has still lied, stolen, be given over to jealousy, rage, and fits of temper, justifiably murdered Cruella, and had the Chernabog after her. And despite apparently casting that darkness INTO Lily, we saw a lovely compassionate giving and caring young girl in 405. I’m still not convinced the Apprentice did anything other than putting on an elaborate puppet show (at the hands of the Author who just wanted a better story)
As for the hair, the hair in Shattered Sight could only reverse the curse if that person had previously been affected by the Curse of SS. So, while magic is often used on OUAT, I guess Emma’s hair would have be similarly “cursed” in order to work on Lily (if that makes sense).
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The real question, for me, is whether or not anything actually *happened* when the Apprentice put on his show. Despite apparently casting out all the darkness, Emma has still lied, stolen, be given over to jealousy, rage, and fits of temper, justifiably murdered Cruella, and had the Chernabog after her. And despite apparently casting that darkness INTO Lily, we saw a lovely compassionate giving and caring young girl in 405. I’m still not convinced the Apprentice did anything other than putting on an elaborate puppet show (at the hands of the Author who just wanted a better story)
As for the hair, the hair in Shattered Sight could only reverse the curse if that person had previously been affected by the Curse of SS. So, while magic is often used on OUAT, I guess Emma’s hair would have be similarly “cursed” in order to work on Lily (if that makes sense).
While I could see the whole darkness being transferred to Lily thing being a rouse, at the same time I’ve been thinking of something else. What if Rumple actually wants Emma to find Lily, so he can re-transfer the darkness back into Emma? We are definitely seeing Emma slip towards darkness without Lily being there, but what if the supposed darkness that’s in Lily is still needed to make Emma go fully dark?
The real question, for me, is whether or not anything actually *happened* when the Apprentice put on his show. Despite apparently casting out all the darkness, Emma has still lied, stolen, be given over to jealousy, rage, and fits of temper, justifiably murdered Cruella, and had the Chernabog after her. And despite apparently casting that darkness INTO Lily, we saw a lovely compassionate giving and caring young girl in 405. I’m still not convinced the Apprentice did anything other than putting on an elaborate puppet show (at the hands of the Author who just wanted a better story) As for the hair, the hair in Shattered Sight could only reverse the curse if that person had previously been affected by the Curse of SS. So, while magic is often used on OUAT, I guess Emma’s hair would have be similarly “cursed” in order to work on Lily (if that makes sense).
I agree…you know during all that transfer of darkness from Emma to Lily, I expected some Harry Potter ish to go down….like we see darkness coming out of Baby Emma and going into Lily, but all we saw was Lily being dragged down the portal.
That didn’t necessarily look like a transfer of yin and yang to me.
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I agree…you know during all that transfer of darkness from Emma to Lily, I expected some Harry Potter ish to go down….like we see darkness coming out of Baby Emma and going into Lily, but all we saw was Lily being dragged down the portal. That didn’t necessarily look like a transfer of yin and yang to me
Yes. I’m also not so convinced that this actually did anything. Though it seems that the Apprentice believed that he did something? Unless the whole dialogue with Snowing was ad-libbed by the author, and then when the Apprentice says “How could you make me do this to a child?” he’s actually talking about separating Lilly from Mal, effectively orphaning her?
I am also wondering whether Rumple maybe set this in motion on purpose to have Emma seek out Lilly. This is probably a huge stretch, but do we know for sure that Rumple is a reliable narrator when he claims he wants to turn the Savior dark for the reasons he says he’s doing it? Could there be a different motive for bringing Lilly and Emma together, or a different reason behind BlackSwan? There are two things that seem to be going on: 1) Rumple is apparently trying to revert the carbonization of his heart, for which he says he needs the author to rewrite happy endings and 2) he seems to need Emma to go dark (or claims he does). I know there’s been speculation on the forums that he wants to outsource his own darkness to whoever has the “greatest potential” for it. But what’s the relationship between the Author and the BlackSwan? Or is this a case of gathering ingredients again?
Though it seems that the Apprentice believed that he did something? Unless the whole dialogue with Snowing was ad-libbed by the author, and then when the Apprentice says “How could you make me do this to a child?” he’s actually talking about separating Lilly from Mal, effectively orphaning her?
That’s what I thought. The Apprentice is a Puppet and is “reading” his lines as the Author writes them, but in the end, the magic isn’t real? Can the Author actually cast magical spells? He can write people having magic (Cruella) but can his words–his mumbo jumbo–actually cause real magic? It was remarked that this was one of the few times we’ve heard a spell uttered out loud. It was an oddity because normally spells are snapped, waved, poofed, of chemically combined without the “silly incantations” to quote Professor Snape
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think also, what the apprentice did, he referred to it as a spell; not a curse.
If you wish me to perform this magic, you must secure such a vessel. Discuss this amongst yourselves. Make sure you want to proceed. Because once this spell has been enacted, it cannot be reversed.
Curses can’t be reversed, but they can be broken. Spells can be broken too but they work differently than curses. Spells, I think are temporary while curses can be permanent if not broken.
Spells, I think are temporary while curses can be permanent if not broken.
That might work quite well, actually, given that Emma isn’t pure love and goodness and Lily, from what we’ve seen thus far, isn’t some unholy demon.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"A couple of things:
Lily said her misfortunes began once she met Emma. That all the things she did that were right ended up terribly wrong.
Lily also mentioned being around Emma seemed to negate the negativity in Lily’s life.
The Apprentice said the deck was stacked against Lily and that makes everything harder.
This makes me think Emma might be able to “fix the deck”. Free will still applies for both Emma and Lily, the only thing the Apprentice did was make the circumstances of Lily’s life that much more difficult to overcome. (I could draw some parallels to real life, but I don’t want to derail the conversation.)
Lily said her misfortunes began once she met Emma. That all the things she did that were right ended up terribly wrong.
And does that make sense? Because when we met Lily, she was already a thief, able to give tips to another would be thief.
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