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November 13, 2015 at 11:50 am #312369MatthewPaulModerator
The battle for what ultimately amounts to be the ability to free Emma from the darkness will come to a head in Sunday’s special two-hour episode of Once Upon a Time.
With Merlin (Elliott Knight) now under Arthur’s (Liam Garrigan) control, the Sorcerer gives Emma (Jennifer Morrison) a pretty hefty ultimatum: turn over the Dark One’s dagger or your family will perish. “Arthur has a real economical ability to pinpoint a character’s weakness extremely quickly and his doing that will put one of the Charmings in grave danger,” Ginnifer Goodwin teases.
The threat leads to a showdown of epic proportions between Emma and our heroes against Arthur, Merlin and Zelena (Rebecca Mader). “It’s a detour from the plan,” Morrison says. “It’s not what Emma was expecting, and she now has to adapt, adjust and make a new turn in order to also save her family and stay on track with her plan.” But her plan, whatever it may be — it involves Hook (Colin O’Donoghue), according to this sneak peek — will have severe consequences that lead to a shocking revelation about what really happened in Camelot.
[adrotate group="5"]November 13, 2015 at 11:52 am #312370MatthewPaulModeratorBack in Storybrooke, the situation is made more complicated when Zelena’s pregnancy suddenly accelerates and the baby arrives, causing strife for Regina (Lana Parrilla) and Robin Hood (Sean Maguire). “Regina really establishes the rules,” Parrilla says. “This is how it’s going to be, you can see your daughter, but under strict supervision. One of us has to be present, meaning Regina or Robin Hood. There is still a huge level of distrust when it comes to Zelena and Regina. I just don’t think she feels that Zelena is going to make the right choices, and she doesn’t. She wants that baby to be wicked and she’s going to teach it how to be wicked. She’s going to take it and run back to Oz. Regina and Robin Hood are going to do everything to stop that.”
Welp, guess the baby really is born in 508, and it’s apparently a girl.
November 13, 2015 at 1:28 pm #312374TheWatcherParticipantAwww it’s a girl!!! And Zelena wants to raise it to be evil? That’s so cute! Imagine the little green-bean wearing its own little pointed baby witch hat and cape. Ermergerd.
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I don’t think Zelena would raise the child to be wicked, probably raise it to not like Regina, but I think Regina is jumping the gun here. Zelena wants to take the baby back to Oz so Regina can’t take it away from her, whilst Regina wants to take the baby away from Zelena so that Zelena can’t run back to Oz with it.
I dislike the idea that Regina is somehow in the “right” in trying to take Zelena’s baby away from her. Zelena cares for her child and it’s a bit hypocritical for Regina to take the baby away because of Zelena’s past actions yet Regina was the evil Queen and nobody took Henry away from her.
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Keeper of FelixNovember 13, 2015 at 6:54 pm #312395WickedRegalParticipantI dislike the idea that Regina is somehow in the “right” in trying to take Zelena’s baby away from her. Zelena cares for her child and it’s a bit hypocritical for Regina to take the baby away because of Zelena’s past actions yet Regina was the evil Queen and nobody took Henry away from her.
Wait a second…Zelena is still a little dead set on destroying Regina, and may have been planning to raise her child so that it could destroy Regina’s family….finish mommy’s dirty work. Zelena is still a little mentally unstable to raise a child on her own, so Regina as the aunt does have a right to be concern for her niece/step-daughter…not to mention Regina wasn’t mentally unstable plus slightly psychotic when she raised Henry, which she did a splendid job with….she had a sound mind and body.
But, in this case, Parrilla doesn’t think Zelena will change her ways. “Which makes me sad,” says the actress. “It’s like Cruella [Victoria Smurfit] — she was unredeemable as well, and she ended up dying as a villain. I don’t know what Zelena’s fate is, but I would hope that she could come around and they could be sisters. That’s a happy ending, and I just don’t know if they’re meant to have one.”
I believe bringing Cora back would in some ways help….that’s the closure Zelena really needs from her mother and answers to a lot of questions. This whole Wicked vs Evil war started because Cora abandoned Zelena, if only for one episode of Cora being back, it’s enough for the mother/daughters to sit down and actually discuss all of this. Cora is the key to starting Zelena’s redemption. I’m still hoping for WickedSisters Sisterhood.
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November 13, 2015 at 7:35 pm #312403PriceofMagicParticipantWait a second…Zelena is still a little dead set on destroying Regina, and may have been planning to raise her child so that it could destroy Regina’s family….finish mommy’s dirty work. Zelena is still a little mentally unstable to raise a child on her own, so Regina as the aunt does have a right to be concern for her niece/step-daughter…not to mention Regina wasn’t mentally unstable plus slightly psychotic when she raised Henry, which she did a splendid job with….she had a sound mind and body.
I think Zelena would’ve been satisfied with her baby because she would’ve had something that Regina didn’t.
I guess my main issue with Regina wanting to take Zelena’s baby is that Regina has no claim to the baby, it’s not her child therefore she should not just be able to walk in and take it. However, if ROBIN on the other hand wanted HIS child to live with him then that is a completely different story.
We’ve not seen Robin really speak about the baby, there was that quick scene about the baby scan but that was it whereas we’ve seen Regina gunning to have this baby for her own.
Robin wanting to protect his child makes sense. Regina wanting to help Robin protect his child makes sense. However, IMO, that is not the story we’re seeing playing out on screen. Robin just seems to be bobbing along with the situation as he’s done since season 3 not really making his own decisions whilst Regina is all “I’m going to take your baby!” The balance is all off and it is actually making Regina look unsympathetic and almost like the “villain” of the situation.
I believe bringing Cora back would in some ways help….that’s the closure Zelena really needs from her mother and answers to a lot of questions. This whole Wicked vs Evil war started because Cora abandoned Zelena, if only for one episode of Cora being back, it’s enough for the mother/daughters to sit down and actually discuss all of this. Cora is the key to starting Zelena’s redemption. I’m still hoping for WickedSisters Sisterhood.
Whilst WickedSisters would be nice, I think Zelena and Regina’s relationship is beyond that point, especially if Regina takes the baby from Zelena by force. At best, Zelena and Robin will share care of the baby which means that Regina will still get to spend some time with it without taking the baby by force.
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Keeper of FelixNovember 13, 2015 at 9:27 pm #312423KebParticipantRegina has a history of feeling entitled to other people’s children, including Henry during the period when she had, for all intents and purposes, lost custody of him to the Charmings and/or Emma because she was still, yanno, trying to kill people. (This does not disregard the fact that her adoption of Henry was legit or that she IS rightfully his mother…but she is no longer his ONLY mother and she was willing to destroy Storybrooke to achieve that status at one point. She told him so to his face before wiping his memory.)
That’s part of what made me wary of her growing relationship with Roland, and while Zelena’s actions with regards to the pregnancy are far more abhorrent, Robin is really the only one who should have any say in the custody of that child. Regina does not get custody just because she likes its father and happens to be its aunt.
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November 13, 2015 at 11:12 pm #312433WickedRegalParticipantWait a second…Zelena is still a little dead set on destroying Regina, and may have been planning to raise her child so that it could destroy Regina’s family….finish mommy’s dirty work. Zelena is still a little mentally unstable to raise a child on her own, so Regina as the aunt does have a right to be concern for her niece/step-daughter…not to mention Regina wasn’t mentally unstable plus slightly psychotic when she raised Henry, which she did a splendid job with….she had a sound mind and body.
I guess my main issue with Regina wanting to take Zelena’s baby is that Regina has no claim to the baby, it’s not her child therefore she should not just be able to walk in and take it.
The issue we all seem to be having is Adam and Eddy are telling us that Regina isn’t literally taking Zelena’s baby, without showing it within the show leading to the confusion everyone seems to be having about the situation. Lana Parrilla has clarified, Regina isn’t taking Zelena’s baby for herself because at the end of the day the same thing was almost done to her by Emma, but she’s also concerned for her niece’s safety with her unstable mother and wishes to allow Zelena to see the child but only through strict visitation rights. Hence what had been done to her by Emma concerning Henry.
Regina has a history of feeling entitled to other people’s children, including Henry during the period when she had, for all intents and purposes, lost custody of him to the Charmings and/or Emma because she was still, yanno, trying to kill people. (This does not disregard the fact that her adoption of Henry was legit or that she IS rightfully his mother…but she is no longer his ONLY mother and she was willing to destroy Storybrooke to achieve that status at one point. She told him so to his face before wiping his memory.) That’s part of what made me wary of her growing relationship with Roland, and while Zelena’s actions with regards to the pregnancy are far more abhorrent, Robin is really the only one who should have any say in the custody of that child. Regina does not get custody just because she likes its father and happens to be its aunt.
Robin Hood has too much of a good heart and won’t think clearly concerning Zelena and the child because at the end of the day, that’s still the mother of his child, HOWEVER, Regina who although knows her sister is very aware of her past, does NOT want to take the child from Zelena but also ensure that her niece won’t be corrupted by it’s mother.
It’s really at the core, Regina, Emma, Henry all over again concerning Zelena, Regina, Baby Mills….Regina is doing to Zelena what Emma did to her. So if Regina is supposedly in the wrong in this situation…that means Emma was also just as in the wrong by taking Henry from Regina.
Being placed into a position to change herself for the better in order to get her son back changed Regina for the better…whose to say the same won’t have the effect on Zelena with her daughter?
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