The Curse of the Savior

I think the bigger question is what this says about Hook and Emma’s relationship.  She obviously does not trust him enough to let him in at all.  She hid the shaking of the hands, she hid the visions, she even refused to let him help her with the bird. How did Hook handle all this, he got angry and went drinking at a bar. No discussions, no hey I know something is wrong and I am going to make you talk about it, just Okay whatever I will go my way and you go yours.

It’s interesting that you brought this up. Does anyone else think the line about Emma’s leather jacket in the opening CS scene held any kind of symbolism? She says she should take it off, which seems like a strange thing to say, because why would you focus on only one item of clothing in that situation? Hooks says to leave it on because he likes it. So is the jacket meant to symbolise Emma’s hang ups? Is this another subtle reference to the fact that Hook likes Emma’s walls, as he’s already admitted? Or are they attempting to show that Hook accepts Emma as she is, because the jacket is supposed to be an integral part of Emma?

Oh I think it speaks loads about the CS relationship but I don’t know that A and E understand what it says about the pairing. That’s the issue isn’t it? Do A and E actually understand how their writing is translated on screen? I think in their heads their response would be “this is how Emma reacts. She has walls. They go up” without thinking through the romantic repercussions. Emma runs away, Hook runs off and drink and if you were to ask A and E they’d say something like “keep watching. they are taking a journey together!”

Ok so I do disagree with this.  But I tend to disagree with most of CS stuff on here.  Is it a bad thing that Hook tried multiple times to get through to Emma, knowing full well that something was wrong, but she still refused to be honest with him on multiple occasions over multiple things….so then Hook went to get a drink at Grannie’s?  Why is that bad on Hook’s end?  This is all Emma.  Hook did everything he could and she won’t divulge and trust him.  You can’t blame Hook for getting a drink after those ridiculously frustrating conversations.  I’d get a drink too if I was Hook.  And at this point, I’d be getting pretty fed up with Emma and her walls and quite frankly, her flat out deceit.

I also thought that was really strange. Her red leather jacket has always been referred to her as her armor, that which kept her protected from the hardships of the world. It’s her superhero cape too, though. She puts it on when it’s time to suit up as the Savior (see, episode 312). So which does Hook like? How is the jacket being read here? Or is it just vanilla kink for the sake of vanilla kink and the writers don’t have any sort of meaning behind it either than the fact that they both favor red leather jackets.

I think this was just a case of trying to show them as a couple.  Hook has always been attracted to her feistiness and although her jacket is her “armor”, it’s also a symbol she wears when she’s trying to kick some tail, and Hook has always been attracted to that part of Emma.  It was just a small scene of them being a couple and I liked it.

Never said Hook was solely to blame. I’m beyond fed up with Emma but the question was posed about what it says about the CS relationship and if this was the first time we’ve seen Emma shut down or see Hook go drink when there’s a problem, I’d actually be a lot more forgiving because that’s a natural human response. But these two keep resorting to the same tactics and it’s old. I actually think Hook was being pretty reasonable and Emma’s being an annoying shrew but what these actions (and how they cope) say about their pairing is up for debate.

Well yes of course.  There is still no honesty with them.  But there is nothing wrong with Hook grabbing a drink.  And it’s not like he was drunk.  He could grab a drink regardless of the situation and it would be fine.  He’s just grabbing a drink, sheesh.  But yes this was all about Emma here.  She’s the one being dishonest, not Hook.  And yes, that says something about the CS relationship, but mainly it says how Emma feels about the relationship, noyt Hook.  Hook looked like genuinely cared in this episode and I felt bad for him.  Emma is the one that clearly has a problem with this relationship, and Emma’s actions were the telling ones.  Hook getting a drink was the most realistic thing the show could have done.

It is almost like Hook likes powerful savor Emma, but he doesn’t like orphan lost girl Emma. That is what it is like, but the writers are never going to do anything with it.