He told Emma “WHEN I win your heart, and I WILL win it, it won’t be of any trickery”. Now this line would’ve been so much better if they’d used the word “if” instead of “when” and cut out the “I will win it”. As it currently stands, Hook is declaring that he will win Emma’s heart and it’s only a matter of him, which kind of implies that Emma has no say at all because her and Hook being together is a foregone conclusion. Also 3A wasn’t good for Hook or Neal because it had them fighting over Emma as if she was a prize to be won. Hook essentially telling Neal that he’ll let him have first crack at Emma is not a point in Hook’s favour because, again, it implies he’s trying to make Emma’s decisions for her. It was also implied that if Neal failed, Hook would swoop in, obviously to have his shot at Emma. As for CS’ first kiss, again the issue is the writing. We shouldn’t have to be TOLD that Hook was joking outside of the show. That needed to be made clear in-show either through dialogue or a look of surprise on Hook’s face. As it is, Hook just looks pleased with himself. Neverland really could’ve done with some daylight scenes though.
Your 4A point I’m not gonna entertain
Why ever not?
S4B Hook was not just relegated to boyfriend patrol. He had many wonderful scenes with Emma, he discussed his happy ending, he and Emma both discussed the situation with Snowing. It’s because of Hook’s discussion with Emma that she saw the error of her ways and decided that her parents were doing what was best for her because they loved her.
In other words, Hook was being the “supportive boyfriend” aka boyfriend patrol.
5A after a season where Hook was literally one of the only people that gave a dang about Emma and helping her fight the Dark One. This was demonstrated multiple times throughout the arc he was then forced to be the Dark One because Emma selfishly decided to save him and sorry Emma can definitely be selfish in this situation especially when Regina was being an absolute hypocrite in The Price. Hook told Emma he wasn’t as strong as her, he’s weak, he couldn’t fight the darkness and that was true. It was clearly painted as that was not Hook, it was Nimue manipulating him.
So are you defending Hook or CS, because you would think Emma’s actions in 5A (overriding Hook’s wish to not be turned into a dark one) would be a mark against CS. Here’s the thing though, in the Storybrooke scenes before Hook knew he was a dark one, he acted fine. It wasn’t until AFTER he found out he was a dark one that he turned into a complete arsehole. He was a dark one all along so how do you explain the sudden change in behaviour other than finding out he was a dark one gave Hook “permission” to act as bad as he did. Also here’s the rub, if you excuse DO Hook’s actions because of Nimue then in fairness you have to excuse DO Rumple’s actions too for the same reason. Likewise, if you hold Rumple accountable for his actions then you have to hold Hook accountable too. You can’t have one rule for Hook and another for Rumple because essentially they both had the same affliction. Perhaps the reason Hook is so divisive is because it seems like there is a double standard when it comes to him and other characters. Hook is not held accountable for his actions when other characters are.
I mean when you’ve got a Greek God saying you belong together, that’s a pretty big indication.
Again, we’re being told than shown. Some things can be explained through dialogue (if the writers bother to do that) such as Hook joking about wanting a reward, other things need to be shown. If A&E said in an interview that Granny and Sneezy were true loves or had another character in-show say it, would you believe them? They’re telling you they’re true loves but they’ve not actually shown you it. Do you take it as fact? By the same logic, Neal and Emma had true love because the Swan pendant travelled across realms and Belle said it was born of true love.
I mean if 3×10 wasn’t clear enough, you know Neal sitting alone in the shop…IDK what else to say.
You mean when Emma was on her way to meet him but got distracted by the shadow attacking the blue fairy?
On your 7th point, ah I see so you ignore actual canon and dialogue on the show and focus on head canons okay. Well that’s what was stated on the show, Emma liked the darkness, that’s why that kiss did not work. Rumple was also caught off guard and it was Belle that kissed him, not the other way around. Emma kissed Hook that time. Hook kissed Emma in SB when she believed nothing was wrong with her so it was never going to work on her. Again stated on the show in dialogue, not headcanons.
You could argue that since Hook and Emma were both DOs and thus both cursed was the reason TLK didn’t work. But to says Emma “liked the darkness” was the reason it didn’t work is from a logical point rubbish. DO Rumple like the darkness in Skin Deep and TLK started working then. The writers make up rules as they go along to serve the plot, even if it contradicts established canon eg “dead is dead”.
Eight point. Again stated on the show. Hades stated that Hook was a rotting corpse in SB while they were working in the UW to get him back. As for the other part Zeus said he’s bringing Killian back to where he belonged. It was clearly his pyshical body brought back. He was brought back literally in front of his grave, see the screencaps of that scene for further proof. If you don’t want to accept canon and dialogue over your own headcanons that’s your perogative but I choose to believe what’s on the screen and what is stated in the dialogue.
That was Robin’s grave they were stood at. Also, they could’ve had Regina do a preservation spell on Hook’s body (like she did for Daniel for decades) so they didn’t need to bury him hence it would’ve just been a case of reuniting his soul with his body rather than contradicting the “dead is dead” rule. Zeus could’ve still had his role, but what they did doesn’t make sense when you look at it more closely.
Final point, no it doesn’t make me wonder why because unlike you I don’t think it’s vague. The audience are shown how Emma and Hook are true love. The consistent parallels to Snowing(from there meaning, to the adventure, being able to sense one another), the echoing of the iconic quote, the passing of the true love test, which afterwards they literally stated “it’s true love. Emma you chose me, that was the test”. None of that is subtle or vague. It’s only subtle or vague to the people that refuse to see CS for what it is. A canon true love couple.
So you’re saying Emma wouldn’t have pushed anyone else out of the way of that thing that was harming Hook? So Emma would leave someone like Belle to suffer because they’re not true loves and therefore she wouldn’t push her out of the way? The point still stands, the audience are being told that Emma and Hook are true loves rather than being shown it. It is lazy writing on the part of the writers, that’s the main problem.
1. So we’re just ignoring that he says “it will be because you want me”? He’s not forcing her, he’s not taking away her agency. He’s making his intentions clear but like with everything that has happened in the CS relationship it’s at Emma’s pace. Emma makes all the decisions and Hook is fine with that.
2. I’m not going to entertain it because it’s your headcanon and not based on actual canon of the show. Hook screwed up because he wanted to be able to hold Emma with two hands on their date and so he bit off more then he could chew. Meanwhile Rumple was being Rumple.
3. How do I explain the sudden change with Hook? The fact that Zelena gave him back the memories of what happened to him. They were all mindwiped but she waved the Dreamcatcher in his face and he was able to regain everything that happened. That’s why the change was so sudden, and that’s when the Darkness took over again. Because of Zelena giving him back his memories. I will never excuse DO Rumple for the crap he’s done especially ever since he made Hook’s sacrifice in vain and became the DO once again. In the beginning I did, but not anymore. It’s not a double standard either, he just loves power more than everything else and people just have to accept that about him.
4. Well they are the creators of the show, and from the show that just gave us the disgusting Rumple and EQ pairing it would not surprise me.
5. Yeah after she asked Charming if he wasn’t pushing her towards Neal because he wanted to keep her away from Hook. 😉 Cause that’s what she said. If that wasn’t enough the following episode Going Home made things pretty clear that it was CS. They got the meaningful goodbye.
6. No it was not, it was Hook’s. (x)
If you look at the background you can clearly see Hook’s grave. That’s where Hook popped out from then he walked a couple of feet where Emma ran to him. Killian and Robin were buried less then 50 feet apart but that doesn’t mean they were at Robin’s grave. They were not.
7. I am saying this is what the show said, this is what the writers said, this is what the actors said, and if people choose to accept it or not is not my problem. It’s canon, it happened, they’re true love, it’s done.