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Reply To: The Captain Swan thread!

Home › Forums › Once Upon a Time › General discussion and theories › The Captain Swan thread! › Reply To: The Captain Swan thread!

April 14, 2014 at 6:17 pm #261455
MysteryKat25
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POM – That post just gave me a lot of Dread Pirate Roberts feels! Killian obviously has a lot more bad stuff going on than Westley ever did, but they’ve always based part of him on Westley and made blatant nods to it as well. And a pirate’s reputation DOES make it so they don’t have to do as much / hurt people. It reminded me very much of Princess Bride when you said that. (Colin even did the voice a bit in 2×04. Love PB nods!)

This is going to hurt for a bit but in the long-run only make them stronger. Villains try to keep TL couples apart all the time and CS has had more than any stand in the way.

Refreshing to see that Emma is finally letting go of the past. It’s been an albatross around her neck for basically her whole life and she’s finally to a point where she can she doesn’t want to live that way anymore and is letting people in. Her scenes with Charming were amazing and I love how close they are!

Stupid Zelena! The mirror gave me back HP flashbacks. If they had only checked the mirror first! It made it so much more heartbreaking, but at the same time, especially given his awful decision, it was nice to see him own up to it and how much it affected him. This was 9 months prior to showing up in NY so I can’t wait to see what happens in that time. It was nice to show him that what Zelena said was true, Ariel didn’t give up on her prince and actually found him, and I’m sure he’s relieved that he didn’t cost them their happiness after all (though it was good for his redemption arc to have to live with that for so long), but I’m sad that the real Ariel wasn’t the one who heard his heartfelt confession and doesn’t realize how much of an impact she had on him.

LOVE that Killian was in the background of the mirror before Emma looked inside herself and gathered her strength to perform magic. Her magic is all about LOVE and shows her that love is strength, not weakness, as we’ve seen time and time again. Doesn’t hurt that they showed a TL couple before the mirror morphed into showing another TL couple! Loved seeing Ariel & Eric so happy but it makes me sad too – I feel like we won’t get to see them again (unless someone goes to rescue them and brings them back for whatever reason) so they might be done. That said, I’m hoping that someday, even if it’s an end of the series wedding or something, that ALL the characters we know and love are in attendance (and a Disney princess/Disney couple line-up wouldn’t be bad either!) Really wanted more Gil though and we didn’t even get to hear him speak! They were pretty cute on the beach though so yay for that.

Man this episode was full of heartache. It gives me hope in the long run but pain right now for sure! Loved the family dinner and that Regina has fully become a part of the group and was included, but hurt so much watching Killian look in from the outside after being welcomed in, ESPECIALLY by Emma. SO PAINFUL!

Sorry but his behavior isn’t really creepy. If she’s actually interested and like it or not, she is, she doesn’t see it that way for 99% of what he does. So glad she’s finally opening up to him and is tired of living in the past. She’s been doing that for over a decade! We saw that she was almost ready to consider it a bit after the last time she thought Neal “died” and she was fine a few days later. Even now she’s not remotely acting like any of the other people who have lost their TLs. She got way more closure this time around, and is trusting herself more and more thanks to Killian, but as sad as she is that they lost Neal, she’s not mourning someone she is currently IN love with. She’s mourning an old friend who is the father of her child and someone she was once in love with and that’s a big difference. Sorry to be so harsh but it’s always been set up that a part of her will always love him but that doesn’t have to mean IN love with and she’s not acting that way, nor has she ever. Otherwise she definitely wouldn’t be encouraging Killian whatsoever as she knows how he feels about her. And she wouldn’t be able to smile as much as she has been either. It’s not OOC, it’s showing that she has closure and is letting herself move forward, something you just can’t do if the person you were in love with JUST died. I’m sorry if that’s harsh but that’s what’s being shown again and again and again.

CS isn’t out of thin air, or fanservice, and it hasn’t somehow changed drastically this season. We’ve been calling it for ages and they’ve stayed true to their vision on the big things. They said back in S2 that they knew where they wanted to end up and yes, who Emma ends up with. The day-to-day stuff may change here and there, but I’m pretty sure they didn’t build up CS to say no, she goes back to Neal, then decide to kill him off to please the fans which, guess what, NOBODY IS HAPPY ABOUT. Do you think we want to constantly hear how it’s only happening so CS can happen? It’s beyond insulting. Plus if they really wanted to make the story way more tragic, or throw a huge wrench in CS and make it have to wait forever even if they wanted to stay true to them ending up together, they COULD have built up a huge SF reunion, making his sacrifice even MORE tragic than it was, and then Emma would be closed off a few more seasons and THEN maybe you could have said it was only because he died that they’re happening…but that’s not remotely what has been written from the start. I’m SORRY but it’s not.

Can’t wait for Emma to FULLY open up about her feelings with EVERYONE. She stood up for Killian a lot this episode but she hasn’t let anyone in on the details of just how much she cares yet. That will be tested the remainder of the season. We also need to get Henry’s memories back. BUT I have faith that all of that will happen and then we’ll see where CS is. I would love for Henry to eventually talk to Emma about it and just want her to be happy, especially now that he fully understands the entire situation (or rather will once he gets his memories back). You can’t replace the people you lost but that doesn’t mean refusing to live your life either. How can we root for OQ if everyone should be miserable and nobody should have more than 1 love in their life? It’s BEAUTIFUL that they give hope to those who have lost. They’re not moving on RIGHT after they lost the person they were going to spend forever with. Regina’s been dealing with it forever, Robin lost Marian awhile ago + curse time, Hook spent hundreds of years getting over Milah and Emma’s had over a decade to deal with Neal not being in her life/her happy ending not being with him. These relationships aren’t sudden when these characters have been without REAL LOVE for a LONG TIME.

Explanations help with closure and they will definitely help Emma moving forward, but it’s like with some fans and the show / A&E right now -the explanations don’t erase the pain and the level of trust and love can’t easily be restored, if ever. It’s just the way it is.

Really hoping that Emma will make it clear that she always wanted to return his feelings but was too afraid. I think she’s going to have to help prove to Killian that he is worthy of love, just like he’s been doing with her. It can’t be one-sided and so far, he’s been trying to meet her much closer than halfway. Her feelings have been there the whole time and we saw how much she wanted to trust him on the beanstalk, but they’ve definitely been growing more and more since the end of S2 and I can’t wait for her to come clean on that. I think finally getting inside her head will go a long way for everyone, especially her loved ones.

I don’t really expect the fans to ever see it as something that was there all along and to each their own, regardless of how frustrating it is. It hurts to hear how the show has changed things this season to give us what we want, but I’m glad that we love the story they’re telling and have been telling all along. I just wish they were able to talk about it more! Hoping after S3 they can outright say they not only wanted him in S1 but it was always with this idea of the daughter of Snow White & Prince Charming ending up with a pirate. They were introduced as kindred spirits and we kept hearing that over and over again. All the parallels to Snowing, fitting perfectly into the OUAT/FT universe, epic lines, connection the characters have actually admitted they shared, proven declarations of feelings, countless villains trying to break them up because they’re a force to be reckoned with together and love is strength, etc etc etc can’t be wrong. Besides, we had Star Wars and Princess Bride stuff from the beginning and we know how much A&E love those! They’ve been hinting at it for agessssss and we’re finally seeing that it definitely is NOT one-sided. Like they said, it’s going to take a hook of steel to crack Emma’s walls and he’s finally doing that!

So bring on the pain and the angst…we’ll get there eventually! After everything they’ve setup from 2×04 to now, I just don’t see any other explanation. We’re closer than ever so have a little faith!

*cookies*

PS – lost this post before dinner but was able to hit back to get to it thank goodness so no idea what may have been posted since then. Wish we had the preview function back!

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