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@POM, I agree wholeheartedly with your last post. That’s exactly what Neal was – part of Rumple’s story. When Neal is shown through Emma’s flashbacks there is what? one or two scenes that don’t ultimately lead up to a bad ending? Even the scene in the finale – very well done, and I thought lovely – until I saw a tweet of MRJ’s saying the glove bit was a throwback to the film “On the Waterfront” and it was explained that the character MRJ was mirroring was manipulative. Now, if MRJ put that in there, in the final SF scene of 3B, on purpose, that makes the scene quite interesting – and take on different meaning…and not positive meaning when it comes to Emma. And by the time I saw that tweet, the more vocal/hating Neal/SF fans had already made me sour – so instead of reading it and thinking ‘but Neal wasn’t manipulative,’ I couldn’t help but think ‘hmmm…now his getting engaged to Tamara and not going to Storybrooke after the curse was broken and pretty much moving on completely makes a LOT more sense.’ Ultimately, the septic fans themselves are the ones who changed my mind when it came to the character of Neal. And I say that as someone who is still pretty PO’d myself about the death. I think there was a lot more they could do with the Rumple/Bae storyline, and it would have been nice to see Henry being able to bond with his biological father finally, and to see Emma and Neal effectively co-parent Henry.
But you have to move on. This is an ensemble cast and deals with fantasy storylines. EVERYONE’S favorites could be on the chopping block theoretically. Every character is expendable – especially the larger the ensemble and OUAT has one of the largest casts there is. This is not Castle, for example, where there are 5ish leads and one main ship. Plot holes and retcons and deaths – sensical or nonsensical – are to be expected. If you can’t handle watching because you weren’t ready for your favorite ensemble character to die/go away/get less screen time/not end up with the character you wanted them with – you have the option to stop watching. For me, it’s far more fun to let go of any issues I may have, and sit back and enjoy. If I get upset or bored with it, then I’ll just tune out. But it would never occur to me to harass the writers/actors, or have a giant ‘public’ stink for the world to see.
I totally missed MRJ saying that! That really does shed a whole new (& FAR from attractive) light on that particular scene. It actually surprises me, that I’m not actually very ‘surprised’ to hear it tbh, because I had wondered about this fact back in 3A, when he manipulated Robin into using his son & also a few things he said/did with Rumple & Emma niggled at me as well, but I thought it was probably just my ‘shipping goggles’ talking- looks like that wasnt the case after all o.O
Agree with your 2nd point totally as well, at this point if Killy was written off now, I think I’d probably stop watching for a while, but would ‘catch up’, after I’d ‘got’ over his absence (how ever long that took), then decide if I wanted to continue on with the with the show or not
(for me it’d depend on if the other characters story lines are interesting enough to keep me wanting to watch… this is ultimately why I took a break in S2 & it was Hook & Emma’s stories that hooked me back into the show)… I’d NEVER consider hating on cast, writers or creators though, Never.
Adam and Eddy are only guilty of *pandering* when it isn’t about Neal and his fans’ demands doncha know (wink). The fans who *go there* see themselves as immune to accountability for all the accusations they throw around. (accusations with no or seriously lame support)
Sadly, obisgirl, there is no understanding necessary. They are miserable because they want to be miserable. They did not get their True Love way, and instead of just shaking their heads, rightfully snorting for a few days and finding something else to watch or follow that won’t threaten their tender sensibilities, they relentlessly spew meanness. Because if they do not get what they want, by Gawd no one shall be spared their undignified wrath! As if they are the only fans whose opinions are valid.
None of us have that power. We either accept it, continue the journey, or whine like a putz and look very foolish in the process.
Any of our non-Emma favorites could be extinguished at any time to serve A&E’s vision and story. Death by plot advancement/uselessness is the favored lethal weapon these guys have and they will use it whenever they feel like it. It is what being a creator is allll about. We know it. We live with it. We embrace the joy of the survivors or go somewhere else on Sunday night.
Twitter for all its fun, educational, entertainment value of being up close and somewhat personal with “celebrity”, is, at its worst, a cesspool of crass posters with little class and less character. I don’t know why any of the performers would put up with the crap that passes for meaningful dialogue there. How many letters are there in the reply “P*ss Off, you are blocked*?~ a lot less than 140, and it would be spelled correctly, too…..
Being enamored with the concept of first love=true love and “re-found baby makes three” is a very time honored, highly romantic, Hollywood golden-era notion and I can see the appeal. But relentlessly attacking the writers and demanding an invented “happily ever after” at the expense of the reality of what is actually written and filmed is pure, self-indulgent nonsense
What more can be said other than ‘yep, agreed’ 😉