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First, I’d like to say I know who you are. We argued a bit about Neal on Hypable, and now you’re attacking my home base.
I have zero clue what you’re talking about. I have been here for a long time. How else would i know about the last 6000 pages of this thread being a load of hate towards writers, ridicule towards CSers, and little to no Swanfire discussion?
you’re acting like you love Swanfire.
FYI, i love all the parts of the show? SF, CS, even SQ as a broship? Snowing, Rumbelle, Hookriel… everything.
However, it is wrong of you to bundle us all up in a collective group and accuse us of such hatefulness.
Except i’m seeing hate in this thread every day, and it’s being ignored. IMO, it’s hate. And as i’ve seen, others feel it is too.
The truth is now JMo views the SF part of the fandom as a little whiny toddler who didn’t get their own way, and the rest of the fandom is absolutely disgusted with all of you as well, because you’re just sitting idly by and letting Jen get all this hate whilst not letting her know that there are parts of the SF fandom who hold no ill will towards her. Inaction speaks loudly.
The passive aggressiveness towards Jen here speaks loudly.
It doesn’t matter that you didn’t send any tweets (although i’d certainly pick out one or two of you who CERTAINLY did), the fact of the matter is, this has become a hateful thread, most of you have become hateful.
This thread is part of the problem.
It doesn’t matter if you don’t identify yourselves as haters, because haters rarely have that kind of personal awareness.
What matters is, the rest of the fandom sees you as haters now, through your complaints, passive aggressiveness, and insults towards the rest of the fandom (nearly every word you breathe about CSers for instance) and the writers.
@Melinda – I’m sorry that you’re angry *at* us, and don’t share the anger with us collectively. Yes, we’ve become quite nasty in this thread, but I think that’s because there’s no where else for us to go. It’s hard for most of us to talk lovingly and positively about SF when we get bullied out of every other thread and place of Once discussion, and not because we’re running around talking hate about everything, we get run out just because our very presence threatens other ships. So we come here and we rant and we vent because there’s no where else to go.
I want to talk about great and positive things about SF, but it’s hard to when a)it’s a ghost ship and everyone has already beaten that dead horse (or dead ship rather), and when A&E and the cast keep coming out with interviews and statements that take everything they’ve said before, everything they’ve showed us in the show and thrown it out the window. Once SF was described as beautiful, poetic, what A&E were getting at, a relationship that would be hard, but worth it in the end. Now Neal is a villain, who needed to redeem himself for all his terrible actions and most of us SFers can’t help but sit here with our jaws open because we can’t believe what we’re hearing.
We can’t believe that they’ve backtracked so far and so hard and it feels like they’re trying to paint SF as the worst thing that ever happened, that was never going to happen, and that other ships were always designed to be TL since day one. I get that the media and A&E and the cast are just telling us what they need to to sell their show, that things change and you have to roll with the punches, but the wording that they use, the lack of consciousness of their history, mythology, their own *interviews* implies that they either think we’re stupid and that they can get away with it, or that it they’re hoping we leave and the new fans will never notice and call them out on it.
And then we get other people, other shippers and non, coming in here, finding us on tumblr and twitter and facebook and other forums, shoving it in our faces, like they take immense joy in not only bringing us down, but grinding us into dust under their shoes. They’d like it if we didn’t exist at all, and sometimes it feels like our very presence in this thread and other places on the internet is a giant middle finger to everyone who wants us to go away, and I will happily admit to getting immense pleasure out of that. I won’t go away simply because they want me to. I’ll leave when I’m finally ready to move on from a show that meant so much to me and not a moment sooner.
I WANT to only talk about sunshine and rainbows, but I can’t, and when I’m angry or frustrated about another person saying something that completely contradicts what they’ve said before, I come here because I have no where else to go, and there are other people here who feel the same. I think the idea that we have to keep everything positive in here is a little far fetched, because from the moment they killed Neal, there have been very few positive things to say about the future of our ship. But I also get that other people don’t feel the same way we do, and that for them, we’ve taken over the last refuge in a sea of other ships, and turned it into a war ship on patrol, but what else is going to happen when people just lurk and don’t actually contribute to the conversation? I KNOW there are other people who want to only talk positive things, but they don’t post and when they don’t post the louder voices who do post drown them out, myself unfortunately being one of those.
We have no where else to go, so all out anger and pain comes out here, and there has been enough of us here who feel the same that we often can just blanket this thread in hateful thoughts. And you know what, I’m not sorry. I’m sorry that you don’t like reading this thread, and I’m sorry we’re not the kind of SF fans you need, but we’ve been left to our own devices and this is what’s happened. Engage with us, talk about positive SF things with us and the mood will change in here, but if it’s just us and they keep shoving articles and interviews with anti-SF comments down our throats, then we’re going to respond the way our hearts tell us to.
And for the record, I don’t have twitter, I have never engaged any of the cast and crew of Once in any medium. The things I post stay here and on tumblr under tags that require someone to actually search for what I have to say. Yes, the things that I say here are often laced heavily with anger and bitterness, but they STAY HERE unless someone takes that out of my hands. If people want to read what I have to say then they have to make an active effort to do so. If I whine about them wanting to change the show, or that I disagree with what has been said or written, it happens HERE and has never once been brought to any official attention by my own volition, so please stop lumping me in all the vehement fans who harass others. I’m not one of them, and neither are most of the posters here.
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