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“Built” is such a subjective word. CS are probably going to be endgame, it’s too late to change that at this point especially if season 6 or 7 is the last, but CS didn’t come about naturally. It was forced by the writers because certain vocal fans demanded it. A flashing neon sign would’ve been more subtle.
It won’t be King George. George is dead. He starved to death off-screen in the mines where Charming dumped him before jetting off to Neverland for a week without telling anyone about George being in the mines. What’s worse is both of George’s hands were tied so he wouldn’t have been able to do anything for himself.
CS didn’t come naturally? I would say that’s just completely ignoring canon. CS was born in Tallahassee when they purposely paralleled SF flashbacks w/ CS in the present. It’s grown very much since then. It was not forced on anybody. Do you know whom are the people that claim this? The same ones that are still bitter Neal died.
IDK why King George can’t be the murderer based on what you said. You are aware Charming’s father was murdered in the EF and not in SB correct? Cause based on what you said…you somehow think Charming’s father died while in SB and that’s not possible.
Hook very well could die or split from Emma. Unless you know what the writers have planned. Afterall, other characters who had relevance in the story and were built up died with absolutely no payoff at all.
Let me guess, you somehow think Neal is going to be miraculously resurrected in the finale don’t you?
Hook is not a Neal, Robin, or anyone else that has died. He’s actually relevant. If I was to place money on somebody that was gonna die this season it would be Zelena. Because she is the definition of irrelevant right now.
In fact, I’d go so far as to propose that Emma and Hook were definitively revealed not to have true love in season five whenever their kiss failed to break Emma’s dark one curse (on multiple occasions) or when Emma failed to share her heart with Hook in season 5b. I know CS fans will point at the “true love shove” as “evidence” that Emma and Hook share real love, but in my estimation, all it revealed was that Emma’s heart has true love because she <em style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>is the product of true love. It was just ambiguously written enough that people will interpret it according to their prior assumptions. While I don’t think A&E are especially gifted writers, I think they’re just talented enough to keep people guessing and debatin
Well the show completely contradicted your POV on multiple occassions.
For someone whom pays attention to “canon” you sure are ignoring some pretty big things.
1. They gave specific reasons within the episode as to why those kisses did not work. The first one was that Emma did not think anything was wrong with her. The second failed one was specifically stated by Rumple. Emma liked the darkness, and the power charge she got from it. That’s why that kiss did not work.
2. Emma failed to share her heart with Hook because as the show stated Hook was a rotting corpse in SB. The only reason the Snowing one was successful was because Charming was dead for a very small amount of time. This was stated in dialogue.
3. “True love shove”, funny because the people that say that are the ones that like to mock CS and say that Emma and Regina are a romantic pairing. But enough about that, it’s not only CS fans though. The entire cast including Adam and Eddy spent the entire time at Comic Con reinforcing that Emma and Hook are true love. So not that ambiguous seeing as they point blank said it loud and clear at CC, and Jennifer and Colin said it in basically every interview.
The way you’ve quoted things makes it look like I said all those things when in fact you’ve got quotes from TheWatcher and Slurpeez in there as well. Make sure you quote the right people, yeah?
First off, my mind completely blanked on you referring to King George as the murderer of Charming’s father. For some reason I thought you meant King George murdering one of the regulars because we were talking about there being a death before the show ends. That’s an error on my part. George could be Charming’s father’s murderer, however he wasn’t even aware that Charming or his family existed until James died. Rumple got him James but wouldn’t have said where he came from so I think its unlikely, plus we’ve not seen George since season 2.
Secondly, you need to cut the attitude. It’s one thing to defend your ship, it’s quite another to speak down to people just because they disagree with your ship.
Thirdly, CS did have chemistry in Tallahassee, then they had Hook betray Emma to Cora and leave her to die. When Hook got to Storybrooke, they had him torture Archie and shoot Belle. Both were innocents who hadn’t done any harm to Hook. Hook followed Emma to new York and pushed her into a wall so he could stab Rumple. He betrayed Regina to GOAT without a care before changing his mind and going to Neverland with the Nevengers. In Neverland Hook spent the majority of his time more interested in getting in Emma’s pants than he was in helping Henry (This was a major disservice to Hook’s character as Neverland should’ve been Hook’s chance to shine but instead he was reduced to a love triangle). 3B, He spends his time chasing after Emma despite her showing no interest, she eventually gives in during the 3B finale. In 4A, despite being with Emma, Hook acted shady with trying to blackmail Rumple then didn’t like it when it backfired on him. 4B, Hook was relegated to boyfriend patrol. 5A Hook turned on Emma as the dark one and wanted to send her and her family to hell. You can’t say “it was the darkness not him” otherwise you have to extend that excuse to Rumple’s actions as well since he was the dark one from 3B-4B. Rumple was still capable of love as the dark one. 5B, Hook was boyfriend patrol again and got resurrected because he’s Hook. 6A has actually been an improvement because Hook is showing some genuine effort in trying to make amends particularly with Belle. Essentially there is no reason why Emma would’ve given Hook the time of day as a romance before 6A but they were thrown together because a certain vocal part of the OUAT fandom demanded it. It wasn’t built up to. OQ suffers from similar lazy writing. If the writers wanted CS together from the start, then maybe they should’ve thrown out some more Tallahassee like episodes where you actually see the chemistry between the two and have Hook be more like he is in 6A. 6A Hook needed to happen several seasons ago, at the very least in 3B.
Fourthly, the fact that you claim Neal dying is the only reason people don’t like CS because they’re “bitter” implies that the thought of SF still bothers you. SF was probably the biggest hurdle to CS and, despite two and a half seasons passing since then, you don’t seem to accept that people can dislike CS for other reasons beside Neal. Ironically killing off Neal was the worst thing to happen to CS because Emma never chose Hook over Neal. Neal was taken out of the equation, leaving Hook as the only option left. It does beg the question as to WHY Neal was killed off instead of having Emma and Neal move on from each other.
Fifthly, nobody expects Neal to be magically resurrected because the writers have ballsed up the show enough without further complicating matters. People don’t like CS but they’ve accepted it at this point, why the hell would the writers throw the love triangle back into the mix?
Sixthly, Hook’s not going to die. He’s not important enough for a big show ending death plus they threw aside the “dead is dead” rule for him so I seriously doubt they’d kill him off for good.
Seventhly, TLK should’ve at least started to work. It began to work on Rumple in Skin Deep and he definitely “liked the darkness”. Saying it didn’t work at all because Emma “liked the darkness” is rubbish.
Eighthly, The heart share failure because Hook was a rotting corpse doesn’t make sense when it comes to Hook’s resurrection. Assuming it was just Hook’s soul in the Underworld (which then begs the question how the regulars’ physical bodies could be in the Underworld), when Hook was brought back was his soul just made corporeal or was it just put back in his physical body? Hook didn’t look like he’d just crawled out of his own grave. Is there still a rotting Hook corpse buried in Storybrooke graveyard?
Finally, the fact that A&E plus JMo and Colin constantly have to “reinforce” that Hook and Emma are “true love” says quite a lot about the writing. The audience shouldn’t have to be TOLD they’re true love, they should be SHOWN it. Every chance the writers had to show that CS is true love, they didn’t take it. Doesn’t it make you wonder why?
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