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Reply To: Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

Home › Forums › Once Upon a Time › Character discussion › Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire › Reply To: Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

March 16, 2017 at 10:16 am #334400
thedarkonedearie
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I feel bad for the people he’s killed, Charming, Ruth, and those affected by the any murder whether it’s done by Rumple, Regina, Zelena, or Hook. You don’t get my pity for committing murder; it’s not like it’s a hard choice. Don’t kill. Especially in a lot of Hook’s cases where the reason for the murder was tiny petty things (ie: not a crime of passion or revenge, both of which are still very not good!)

So you have never felt sorry for Regina?  Felt sorry for Rumple?  Not once.  Especially Regina post season 2.  I just wanna make sure we are treating Regina the same way we are treating Hook.  If you feel the same way about Regina and that she shouldn’t be able to have Robin, have Henry, have a family who loves her….just like Hook shouldn’t get he girl, have a family, the love, the acceptance, then fine.  At least there is consistency to not firgiving or feeling bad for people who have committed murder.

At least for me. Hook, and Regina/Zelena (less sure about Rumple) will walk away having to pay very little for their crimes.

I think Regina has paid a lot.  The loss of her father.  The loss of Daniel.  The loss of Robin.  The loss of Cora.  Like seriously?  And you only say less sure about Rumple bc of Neal.  Eyeroll….This all seems like karma for Regina bc of how awful a person she used to be.  For me, that’s paying for her crimes.  How about the loss of her son.  She has slowly built that relationship back.  She even lost her magic there for awhile.  Hook has definitely lost less than Regina.  He’s lost his father, yes he’s lived for a bazillion years but much of it was spent in Neverland being Pan’s lackey, he lost Milah.  He still doesn’t have people’s respect…until finally at the end of the episode when David finally gives it to him.  It’s not like he’s lost nothing.

I…get that he’s “changed” because he doesn’t murder people anymore

And yes, he has changed. No need for quotations here.  He doesn’t kill anymore, sure.  But he has shown countless times that he cares for not just Emma, but for others as well.  He saved Henry and cared about what he thought of him.  He saved Belle and killed Jekyll/Hyde.  He provided Belle with a safe haven to get away from Rumple.  He helped David this episode and even lied to Emma for him.  He not only helped David find out what happened to his father, but he also stopped David from making a terrible mistake in killing King George.  Like what part about Hook says he hasn’t completely changed other than you and many others still being skeptical simply bc of his past.  He has done nothing in the last two seasons since he stopped being the DO to question his commitment to being a better person.  If he has, I’d like someone to cite it.

Seriously, the whole idea that someone hasn’t murdered anyone in awhile meaning they are redeemed has always been so out there to me. Not murdering people in cold blood is like basic humanity. That doesn’t make one a hero of any sort. Especially, like others have said, these are people who have murdered a lot of people to the point where it was just not big deal for them to just kill a guy because it is more convenient for them then worrying about what they might say if they leave them alive.

And again for reasons I said above, it’s not that he just isn’t murdering anyone anymore.  He has saved lives, including Belle, Henry, and King George.  He has gone out of his way to help people.  Sure he’s not killing anymore and is vehemently against it now, but he’s also caring for others.  But all anybody ever focuses on is his past crimes and I just don’t feel like Regina is treated the same way.

And as far as Zelena goes, she lost the person she loved…..Hades.  But other than that, you are right, she hasn’t paid for her villainess ways.  I cannot defend her.

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