So I must have not turned notifications off for this forum when I left & have been soundly spammed over the last few weeks with a bunch of the same old passive aggressive CS/Hook bashing by the same old people (nothings changed here I see) & now added petty bickering for good measure.
For those of you who don’t like CS/Hook/Emma for whatever reason & want to try pick holes in it- go discuss your issues with the ship elsewhere- the CS thread was/is supposed to be a safe place for those that actually enjoy the ship to talk about it.
If a CSer wants to vent on the CS thread about hate or shade being thrown at the ship… so be it- it’s a “safe place” for him/her to do so! If you don’t like someone venting over what you’ve said that is counter to the ship in said ships safe place, that is too bad for you- go vent on any of the many anti-CS/Hook forums on this site- the passive aggressive hate being touted as “discussion” & brought into the ships “safe place” is a part of what chased most, if not all us original CSers off this site- great to see nothing has changed there *smh*
For those CS fans left on this site wanting to discuss CS I strongly suggest going to one of the many other sites CSer’s use- this site has reputation for being an anti-site… esp anti-CS, so you either have to accept you will be talking to yourself here, or go where the other actual fans of the ship you like are to talk about it- all of us that left here originally certainly felt so much happier away from all the toxicity of this site.
As for the facts of CS-
(FACT being sourced off of the show itself or from interviews rather than personal interpretation or opinion):
CS planned or not?
Adam & Eddie planned CS from the start.
“Did you always intended to have Hook in love with Emma? Was that something you planned out or was it something that developed because of the actor’s chemistry onscreen?
Eddy: Always.Adam: Always. I mean, listen… You go into these things with the best intentions. That is to say we loved the idea that Hook and Emma would be kindred spirits and that is why we kind of wrote that in the beanstalk episode of season 2. But of course, you know, there’s always the chance that there isn’t any chemistry. We were very lucky that we feel that Hook and Emma have an enormous amount of chemistry so that kind of allowed us to stick to the plan that we wanted.”
https://www.tvfanatic.com/2014/05/once-upon-a-time-producers-tease-struggles-of-redemption-a-shock/
Given they have never contradicted that statement, their word is law there- they also stated elsewhere they wanted Hook for S1 but couldn’t get the rights.
CS =Destined or not:
As for Killian saying/thinking he & Emma were not destined to be together, that’s because as far as he or any of them know (along with anyone else who has a basic grasp of common sense) Captain Hook doesn’t ever end up marrying Snow White & Prince Charming’s daughter in Peter Pan…. As A&E have said from the word go- Emma is/was a new FT princess- this was her story, now she & Hook are confirmed TL & supposedly living HEA, it could later be seen as destined TL- who knows.
CS= TL or not:
CS are TL.
To say otherwise is blatantly ignoring not only cannon but also A&E who have also stated point blank CS = TL in interviews (just one example below- others can find more for themselves).
“How will Emma and Hook’s relationship change as they overcome her darkness together?
Kitsis: They will be tested like they never have been tested before. We’ll have to see if true love can really conquer all.”
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/once-a-time-creators-question-839776
In the narrative of the show, CS = TL has been shown on numerous occasions in different ways- either through actions (ie. Emma ditched magic in S3, went along with Rumple’s crap in S2, went to the UW in S5 to name a few examples- just to save Hook, not including making it perfectly clear she didn’t want to live without him, even at the expense of others) /plot device (ie.TL scales/ magic kiss/memory flashes) &/or dialogue (Killian confessed Emma was his TL in S3- Emma said Killian is her TL in S6).Therefore as in any show, cannon states they are TL.
SF = TL or not:
Neal was Emma’s 1st love- that is cannon by all accounts.
Belle stated what she personally believed the reason “could be” for the swan keychain being there. If we do take Belle’s word as law, then to be blunt, the Swan keychain survived simply because Emma was Neal’s TL, but it doesn’t automatically follow that Emma reciprocated & felt Neal was her TL- in fact cannon discounts that because Emma said point blank she didn’t think she would find or have TL until she found it with Killian- therefore by the rules of cannon SF was not a TL couple, despite the fact they did love each other.
IMO SF = TL ship discussion should stay in the SF shipping thread (or at least out of the CS ship forum). It is rude & obnoxious to expect CSers that follow cannon to entertain SF= TL “discussion” in their own ship’s forum.
Why no CS TLK?:
Tbh, despite what A&E have said since the finale aired, they went around stating they weren’t planning on S6 being the last season so weren’t planning on wrapping things up with S6 etc. at the start of the season- thats a matter of public record. By Dec/Jan all of a sudden things changed drastically…. Personally, I think it was a combo of A&E finding out some of the main cast didn’t want to return, which in turn meant ABC wasn’t sure if the show would be renewed, so they then made the call to wrap up the current storyline & try to start fresh ‘just in case’- (which as we all know by now is code for ‘reuse the exact same plot, arcs & premises they’ve used at least once before & label it “new/different” *smh*).
Going off what JMO has said & when the S7 negotiations were made/ announced, it was rather late in the filming season before they knew exactly who was officially in & who was out of S7 for sure. I doubt until then they really considered a CS TLK as a milestone that was needed before it was “too late”- & tbh, at that point, with all the other CS = TL tropes they’ve used, they probably didn’t feel they had to dumb it down any further & instead went with plan A of bookending Emma’s arc with Henry TLKing her to ‘bring her back from the dead’, the same way she did for him in the S1 finale.
As for what will happen in S7 with Hook- who knows…. [/spoiler] probably some version of what has already been done, which is likely to riddled with plot holes &/or retcons of his established story lol.
IMO- I can’t see how Emma, Killian, Snow, Charming or Regina would be living HEA if adult Henry is living like he is away from them (assumably estranged)- but that fact seems to have escaped A&E totally *shrug* I don’t have high hopes for S7 & no plans to watch it at this stage, so it’s not of concern to me personally what they do *sigh*[/spoiler]
Hopefully the spoiler codes haven’t changed & they work on my post- if they have & don’t, sorry.