@medchen wrote:
@fairy dust wrote:
“This portion of the poem describes almost perfectly the path that Neal Cassady/Mystery Man walked through New York City, exiting Central Park at 7th Street, ending up on the lower East Side, even looking over his shoulder, the reference to horses from Emily Dickenson’s poem…the horses in the poem drive the carriage that is death…the last lines of Adonis fit Baelfire exactly. I could go on and on but I don’t have time. Kaddish and Howl are Ginsberg’s two most famous poems and they both are based on his early experiences.”
Wow fairy dust. Thank you for that. And the rest of your post. All some very interesting things.
I’m amazed sometimes how people can put all these things together.
Also kudos to the writers of the show. It just keeps getting better and better doesn’t it ?
I love all these references to stories and culture.
Thanks so much medchen 😀 I really have enjoyed the show…first as great entertainment…and second for those who want to play the “game”…it is a great puzzle.
Finding the connections is not as hard as it looks thanks to the internet. I usually start out with a wikipedia article to give a general overview about the topic/clue, and then I move on to book searches using terms from the article, ie Neal Cassady, Beat Generation, Jack Kerouac, Ginsberg etc. Then I take the book title to Amazon, pull up the book and do a quick word search ( in this case words like Manhattan, New York City, Central Park, 47th St etc), which most of them allow. Google Books is also a great resource as they let you do word searches on most books. One of the great resources I found after the writers released the name Neal Cassady was The Portable Beat Reader. http://www.amazon.com/The-Portable-Beat-Reader-Charters/dp/0142437530/ref=pd_rhf_dp_s_cp_5 I also try to remember that it can’t be too obscure as the writers want it to be something that is recognizable to the audience, so if someone is famous for a particular work such as Howl or Kaddish, I go there first.
For images a great resource is Tin Eye Reverse Image Search which will let you enter an imagine into their search engine and they will try to match it. Most searches come up with zilch but it paid off with the red hand picture. http://tineye.com/
I try not to spend too much time, but…I really wanted to know the path through Manhattan…so good old google maps street view lets you walk down the street and see the view.
The great thing is that you don’t have to know alot about the subject…just how to follow a quick internet clue trail. It is kind of like the writers are Hansel and Gretel dropping crumbs.
Take care medchen and looking forward to the rest of the season. 😀
edited to add: I was already familiar with Molech with due to the writing I do as part of my job which involves quite a bit of historical research information from the Bronze and Iron age. I have no idea if this is what the writers of OUaT had in mind but it really seemed to fit with the Molech references in the Beat writings.