@Mich7 wrote:
I think she was talking about Regina getting Henry back at the time she started talking about the plot. I’m wondering if Cora may not try and use Rumple to kill Emma…since Cora couldn’t crush her heart herself…maybe she thinks Rumple can off her …
Love that idea!
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Barbara: “Who is Regina’s enemy, fundamentally, once and for all? And that is the point of the whole thing. Who is Regina’s REAL enemy? Who is it that killed Regina’s happiness?”
Other chick: “Well it was her mother.”
Barbara: “But in CORA’S point of view?……Think about the whooooooooooole thing, at the beginning of the series, and you’ll see what they’re going for.”@Phee wrote:
It’s just that she was making it sound like it’ll be some big new revelation that’ll make us look at things differently. Rumple screwing over Regina her whole life isn’t exactly a new revelation, I mean, DUH! 😆 Was about to say that maybe Regina didn’t realise the full extent of the manipulation, but then I remembered how I’d assumed that she’d figured out that Jefferson, Viktor and Rumple all conspired against her and set her up, (which is why she made sure that Viktor was cursed, and it explains her extra special disdain for Jefferson), so that wouldn’t really fit as a big twist for me either, if it’s Regina discovering what a pawn she’d been in Rumple’s game.
I beg to differ on this one. Granted, Regina has been catching on ever since S1 that Mr. Gold had some major secrets up his sleeve. Yet, I think it will still come as a major shock to Regina just how much Rumple has made her life a living misery. There are a lot of reasons I believe Regina could be blindsided by Rumplestiltskin’s expert manipulation over her life. Who is Regina’s real enemy? It’s not Snow White. It’s not even Cora. It’s Rumplestiltskin.
My mind keeps returning to the prophesy that Rumplestiltskin gave Snow White and Prince Charming about how the savior would return and the final battle would begin. That was at the very beginning of the show in the very first episode. Well, from Cora’s perspective, Rumplestiltskin stole Regina away from her, the miller’s daughter, even after she tried so hard to secure Regina’s freedom as a baby from Rumple’s control. Yet, Rumple orchestrated events such that he still managed to trick Regina into banishing her own mother to Wonderland and then to practice dark magic. Something tells me Cora’s “peace offering” is just a deploy in her greater quest to get revenge on Rumple by controlling him after he sought to control her and Regina. Despite how controlling and evil Cora is, one might argue that from her perspective, everything she did was done out of love to prevent Regina from becoming Rumple’s pawn to enact the dark curse. In Cora’s viewpoint, Rumple betrayed her and Regina, and there is going to be a final battle, no doubt in my mind.
That’s an excellent point. Looking at it from Cora’s perspective, like Barbara suggested we do, Rumple would be in the position of being the big bad. Regina certainly didn’t know all of Rumple’s motivations, and the finer points of his manipulation, but I do think that she knew enough that it wouldn’t be an overwhelming shock to her system if she discovers the whole truth now. I think that Regina thought that with the casting of this curse, she finally had the upper hand in her relationship with Rumple. She was finally his superior, and could look down on him as such. All that stuff in season 1 was her realising piece by piece that that really wasn’t the case after all, as her schemes came unraveling at the seams when Rumple’s schemes sliced through them.
Regarding Rumple, I don’t think Regina has yet fully realized how much she was his pawn in practicing dark magic or by enacting the dark curse. I think Regina has yet to fully realize the truth of the events that took place in The Doctor 2×5 or that Rumplestiltskin set up Dr. Whale being unable to bring Daniel back to life, otherwise she’d have stopped falling for Mr. Gold’s contuning manipulations of events.
I think that she spent her life, both as EQ and in SB, trying to best Rumple, and when she thought she had, she considered them to be on a more level playing field. Even as he started to shatter that notion in SB, I think she was still clinging to the hope that she’d learned enough by then to keep trying to play him at his own game.
With regards to her poor relationship with Jefferson, we don’t know what happened between the events of 1×17 and 2×5 that made Jefferson give up his realm-jumping ways or to cause a rift between him and Regina. In 1×21, Regina and Jefferson had a conversation that struck me as odd, since the events of 2×5 make it clear they both knew who Daniel was. Jefferson acts like he’s forgotten how important Daniel was to Regina when she shows him her magic ring, and Regina doesn’t hold it against Jefferson for being uninformed. IMO, Regina doesn’t know Jefferson was in on a ploy with Rumple to make it seem like Victor couldn’t bring back her deceased fiancé.
That does seem to be a plothole that he didn’t know who Daniel was. Unless it’s one thing Regina did wipe from his mind. I just think that there had to be an extra special reason that Regina cursed Jefferson to remember, so he could experience the agony of not being with the person he loved most in the world…so close, yet so far, never being able to be with the one he loved. In giving him that specific curse, she played him just like he played her with the Daniel farce…getting her so close, but never with the intention of letting her be reunited with her love…which is why I think she figured it out and gave him that specific punishment in SB.
Despite questioning Rumple’s motives for wanting the curse broken, she’s never even stopped to consider how much he orchestrated her entire family’s sad history just so he could be reunited with his son, Baelfire. I bet Regina doesn’t even know Mr. Gold has a son! When Regina does hear this from Cora, who seems to know everything about Rumple, including the history with his son, about the full design of the dark curse, and about his dagger, I think Regina is going to want revenge against him, too.
It would make her mad as hell, for sure. Like I said earlier in the post, I dunno that it’d be a complete shock to her, because she knows what a devious bugger Rumple is, but it would certainly inspire her to team up with Cora to help get Rumple. So maybe that is the “true enemy” bit that Barbara was alluding to. It just seemed to me, from the way she said it, that it was something that was a revelation to her as a viewer, as well as being something major for Regina. Perhaps I misinterpreted her comments though. We shall soon see.
While I prefer Lana Parrilla in Evil Queen mode over Regina being sad and mopey, I was really annoyed that she was either dumb and/or too arrogant last season not to get that Rumple had his own agenda and wasn’t on her side at all at various times last season.
That was actually some of my fave stuff, because I always laughed and shook my head when silly Regina went off half cocked and was bested by my man Rumple yet again. I loved re-living those moments, reading the quotes that slurpeez posted. 😛