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@Phee wrote:
@Surayya wrote:
sending a kid through is stupid when the thing was built to take a preggers adult-
Was it really though? Honestly, it woulda been a TIGHT squeeze for 9 months pregnant Snow to fit in that thing. Which makes me think that she was never actually meant to go in it. I think Blue Fairy somehow knew that Emma would be born at exactly the right moment to go into that tree without her mother.
Snow and Charming were kissing right when she went into labor. Maybe something in that particular kiss was a trigger that ensured Emma was born exactly when she was supposed to be? If true love’s kiss can break a curse, and if EQ’s curse was about to hit, and Emma had to be born before it hit to guarantee her safe escape, I’d buy it that that particular kiss was a link in the chain reaction that’s been playing out from before that moment and ever since, link by link governing Emma’s life, turning her into the person she’s become, and eventually bringing her to Storybrooke.
I’m not a huge fan of the theory where Pinocchio was turned back into wood to transport him, because as you say Surayya, the tree didn’t actually GO anywhere, so him being in the physical form of wood from that tree wouldn’t be any advantage as far as I can tell.
I just went back to watch the scene where Blue Fairy is telling them about the tree…
“The tree is enchanted. If fashioned into a vessel, it can ward off any curse.”
She didn’t specify, “This one time only, it’ll work if it’s fashioned into a wardrobe.”
The word “vessel” can mean several things, including:
“a person regarded as an agent or vehicle for some purpose or quality: she was the vessel of the Lord“
PuppetPinocchio’s body could be considered a vessel for his human spirit which came later. So maybe he was already protected from this curse, by virtue of being made from that particular tree.Note that Blue Fairy didn’t even actually say that the tree would transport the “one” to another world, just that it would “ward off any curse” and “it can protect only one”. Maybe the transportation to our world actually had nothing to do with the tree itself, but rather was an additional spell that Blue Fairy had to enact. If that were the case, she could have done the same spell for Pinocchio, who already had protection from the curse because his body was originally a vessel made from the tree.
Or Blue Fairy was straight up lyin’ to them all and it could in fact protect more than one, it’s just that not all of them were destined to be saved at that point in time, because things had to work themselves out in due course.
Either way, I believe they can quite easily get around the transportation issues without having to retcon anything.
Yes it was designed to take a preggers SW- the plan was, send SW through to save Emma & therefore everyone else (I will buy if Rumps was the one fibbing & he just needed SW & PC to believe Emma was FTL savior in order to set his plans into action- but then that will make Emma a darn sight less special & a whole lot more pathetic in that she had her life, home & family stripped from her, just so Rumps could do his thing).
Please remember the Blue Fairy didnt make the wardrobe, Gep did (BF only ASKED if he could make it, she didnt tell him to make it!) & to do that likely took plans which SW & PC will have seen- it is their child after all- trust or not, youd want to see the vessel being built which was to save your ONLY child & your entire world 🙂
Not only that but it was Doc that told PC, who had SW in his arms ready to carry her to the wardrobe, NOT to move SW into the wardrobe as she was to close to having baby pop out. PC a much taller broader male than SW could have squeezed into that wardrobe, he’d have to duck sure but he would have fit- the inside is hollowed out & the tree is almost as tall is he was & like 99% of household doors (my own wardrobe included) they are much lower than the ceiling or internal height. The images we see looking through the wardrobe show the internal space as being much more hollowed out than just from the door down & last but not least – its TV, budget is budget, if you can use a smaller scale model because its not a major feature in many scenes, you do, also it was a baby that had to be placed init at the end of the day, they have to make it as safe as possible for the baby with a bunch of cameras & set dressings all around- just because it doesnt look entirely large enough doesnt mean it isnt when you take into consideration we’ve been told SW is/was going to go through (I can point out a bunch of things that are a given on the show yet wouldnt work in reality & it all comes down to budget & what they expect you to buy into) lol 😉
OK this is EXACTLY what BF states & the context its used under re the tree & Emma:
PC “What the hell is this”
BF”Our only hope of saving the child”
Grumpy “A tree?!, our fate rests on a tree?! Lets get back to the fighting thing”
BF “The tree is enchanted, if fashioned into a vessel it can ward off any curse” ……. Now the term vessel used in this context = 1. A hollow utensil, such as a cup, vase, or pitcher, used as a container, especially for liquids. Or in this case a wardrobe.
Possibly 2. Nautical craft, especially one larger than a rowboat, designed to navigate on water. Or An airship.
Doesn’t fit at all given the context of this conversation & the fact she’s had a tree hauled into the council room & stated it’s use will save them all by fashioning it into 3. Anatomy A duct, canal, or other tube that contains or conveys a body fluid: a blood vessel. Nor 4. Botany One of the tubular conductive structures of xylem, consisting of dead cylindrical cells that are attached end to end and connected by perforations. They are found in nearly all flowering plants. & certainly not 5. A person seen as the agent or embodiment, as of a quality: a vessel of mercy.)
Cont BF speech/scene/s:
BF “Gep, can you build such a thing?”
Gep “Me & my boy WE can do it”
BF “This will work, we ALL must have faith. There is however a catch, the enchantment is indeed powerful, but all power has its limits & this tree can PROTECT only one” Now she clearly said point blank here 1, Not 2, 1 (so if they send another through via that same tree & they are PROTECTED from the curse ie have memories in tack & happiness in their lives, then I’ll be really annoyed as that is a massive discrepancy in the story arc & if it’s handled like that its just poor writing- which I highly doubt is likely given what they’ve presented us with so far).
No she didnt say it transports the person in it- that is just a given (at least it is for me & everyone Ive spoken to about it, quite aside from the fact that SW says something like it needs to take her away)- the savior/ infant can hardly grow up/survive & save anyone if they’re either stuck buried under some mines below SB or the only being left in FTL lol 😉 So its was just plain logic that the wardrobe/tree was chosen to protect the person inside it from that particular type of curse (SW & or PC put the word out after the Rumps bombshell to try confirm what they’d been told re EQ & curse (see EP 1 at beginning of council discussion), as well as how exactly they could save their kid from it etc & BF found them that way) & so the person init would be taken to the same place as everyone else who is cursed touched but yet be protected from the curse.
Yeah sorry but if we go with the good guys are just lying, then we have to consider everything we’ve heard out of every ‘good’ guy’s mouth is all just lies 🙄 – so nope, Im not buying that one as we’ve seen Zero evidence for it nor anything that could even be termed a lie from BF- she was straight up & honest with Grumpy re Nova, telling him point blank it was HIS choice to go with Nova or not, so that doesn’t count as being dishonest either lol 😉 )- Nowhere has BF outright lied that we’ve seen, if anything shes been the total oppisit- totally & brutally honest, even if the FTL folk wouldnt like the truth of the words (only one can use the tree & be protected, Nova will have to give up her dream of being a fairy god mother if she leaves fairy land etc)- that doesnt make her evil or devious- as much as it might tick ya off lol 😉 We do know there are good & bad fairies in FTL tho as SW told PC this when he asked her what her ‘dust’ was & she responded that it was not from a “good” fairy.
If August is Pino -then for me, it better have had NOTHING to do with going through that wardrobe, if he got to reality another way (as long as its good & makes sense) I’ll just not have August as a fav character but will otherwise buy it lol 😉
@sjm wrote:
The writers have to be pleased!
I know right 😀