@EvilQueen wrote:
Initial reactions to the episode and to every scene – Emma is really not consistent (and believe me, this is the nicest word I can say about her right now). How could she remotely believe Gold?
Because whilst his actions may be dubious, his knowledge of magic is undeniable, and they needed an immediate solution to a serious problem. The last time Emma went to Rumple, he didn’t claim to have power over who she was and what she could do, in fact, he told her the complete opposite when she accused him of it. So she knows that it they pit wills against each other, she has the ability to keep her own mind and make her own judgements if she deems his input worthy of consideration.
Now there’s absolutely NOTHING that will help Regina, nothing can be unsaid and obviously she’ll come back to the dark side.
It’s true that nothing can be unsaid, but eventually, somehow, Cora will be exposed, and Archie will be found alive, and it’ll be clear that Regina didn’t in fact murder anyone. Then everyone who believed she was guilty will feel like crap, which sucks for them, but makes for some juicy angst and struggles between characters’ relationships, and I’m all for that because it’ll keep things interesting.
And what was Snow thinking, of course Evil Queen would be trying to kill her the minute she had a chance, it’s been her motif for all those years, why would she suddenly forget it?
And it’s always been Snow’s thing to believe in good, so she had to give Regina one final chance before giving up on her completely.
@Marilou wrote:
BTW, How does Emma dare tell Regina that henry is not her son? Emma gave him up when he was a child, I was all for Emma having contact with her son again and when the truth started to unfold, I did not mind henry being raised by the charming… Emma went too far this time around. Regina is henry’s mother no matter how hard she tries.
Emma crossed a line she shouldn’t have when she said that, but given the circumstances, I can’t really fault her for saying it. In that moment, she believed that Regina had just killed Archie and that her innocent act had been a really good act, good enough to fool Emma’s infamous lie detecting power. Emma believed Regina to be very dangerous in that moment, too dangerous for Henry to be around. If I were Emma, I probably would have blurted out the thing that would have hurt Regina the most in that moment too.
I loved all the back and forth between Emma and Regina in this ep. Thought it laid out really well just how complicated their relationship is. SwanQueen shippers must have been losing their minds on that little emotional rollercoaster.
@EvilQueen wrote:
@NONNIE wrote:
I am going to have to watch it again but I think the curse included everyone in FTL not just Snow and PC.
No, they say that with the protection spell Regina cannot do anything to Snow or Charming, that’s it. Only later on Snow added that she will kill Regina is she tries to hurt anyone in her kingdom – which confirms that the Evil Queen can harm others and the spell protects only the Charmings exclusively.
They’d just demonstrated that they had access to powers that could defy Regina, so they probably figured it was safe to assume that she wouldn’t do anything that would give them cause to come after her. And they may well have been correct, and perhaps Regina didn’t go around harming people between the day they set her free, and the wedding day, when she dropped her little bombshell, in which case, their plan worked to keep everyone safe. There was no way they could have anticipated her getting her hands on a curse to send them all to another world, because as per usual, Rumple was the man behind the scenes, manipulating everything to set it up just how he wanted it. He knew that Snow’s weakness was to want to believe in the good in Regina, so he exploited that and used Snow to get Regina set free. He worded everything perfectly to Snow, so that she said the right things to Regina, so that Regina would believe what she needed to so that when she heard about a curse to send them all to a different land, she would instantly jump at the chance. Once again, I’m in awe of that devious bugger, Rumple. He is the man.
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
@EvilQueen wrote:
Another thing – did Cora save Pongo on purpose? Could she have imagined he would be used to help frame Regina? Does she know Rumple so well that she knows his methods? For example, instead of paralyzing the dog, she could’ve let him keep on barking so that the people around would be more alarmed and surely some witness would’ve noticed Regina/Cora leaving?
Letting Pongo bark would only draw attention and risk being captured. She didn’t want to get caught. If the plan was for everyone to think Reggie had done it so that Reggie would break then getting caught would have ruined that. The gig would have been up when there were two Reggies. She wanted the clean getaway with Reggie being hauled in after the fact.
Not only would Pongo drawing attention have risked Cora being captured, which would have defeated the purpose of Regina being accused, but Cora didn’t want any interruptions, because then she wouldn’t have been able to get away with Archie. Her plan wasn’t just to frame Regina for murder, it was also to snag Archie, to pump him for intel.
@myril wrote:
The dreamcatcher – very interesting. There was a dreamcatcher in Neal’s apartment, probably the one he once “found” together with Emma. So, now let’s go for some happy speculations! 😛
It’s certainly no coincidence that we saw another dreamcatcher, and that this time it was being used for a magical purpose. Rumple may have used this opportunity to test out Emma’s powers, because he’s planning to use her to track down Bae, and maybe he’d been planning to get her to do this with Bae as well, as a means of proving his identity. If Neal is Bae, then that dreamcatcher theme would tie together quite nicely.
That execution scene, hmmmm. It didn’t hit me that much in the sneak peek, but seriously, excuting someone with shooting arrows at them is a very ineffective, unreliable and even cruel way.
It’s effective from a dramatic standpoint though. Gotta love the imagery of Blue freezing the arrows and having them fall to the ground at the last moment. 😉
Regina had the best lines in this episode
to Archie: Doctor? Doctor. Need I remind you, you got your doctor from a curse.
to Red: Private conversation. Go take yourself for a walk!
Also liked how she called him a bug and had a line about him chirping in people’s ears. It’s interesting to see how the two personalities of the characters blend, but it’s a bit of extra fun when their alternate persona is an animal. 😆