Well apparently it did cut off when it tried to post earlier and then I just lost everything I had after that so I’ll skip all the rant stuff (I’m seeing so much hate right now toward Hook and so much about Hook lovers being future victims of evil men because he’s the kind that should be stayed away from it’s ridiculous right now – including from people who a week ago shipped him with Ariel. The wilds should be safe! Tumblr has TAGS! Why am I seeing this garbage? *sigh*)
I don’t mind the questions and I actually really enjoy them and have found this to be a delightful discussion today! Sorry I write so much! It was asked in a respectful way and I hope that we have helped you in some way with our answers!
Even CSers don’t always agree about everything and we ask each other but asking the specific questions is a great thing and I love seeing them! It makes you really think about stuff and wonder if there is a reason you see something a different way, or if there’s something you forgotten – or recently, if I’m being hypocritical which I totally understand why it looked that way!
Other than saying we love love love an episode, we tend to stick to random points about this that or the other and some things get lost in the cracks, especially if we didn’t interpret a moment the way that many others apparently did so it’s nice to get a fresh look at that.
I’ll be very curious to see where you fall on it in the future PoM! I know many are on the fence or go back and forth at times (I’ve often wondered until recently which way they were going with it and which thing they wanted me to root for vs what I do root for. I think many of us have those moments on both sides of whether we’re getting our hopes up or not!), but I look forward to having the whole half season to look at as a unit as that usually gives more perspective too.
We’re getting bits and pieces and filling in our own blanks as we go along (some I take offense to with Hook like all the things thrown around about him because he’s a pirate even though we haven’t seen it *grr* he’s not going around raping people!!!), but after we’ve had a chance to see it play out, we go back and watch and laugh at the ridiculous headcanons we had back then and what we were worried about, and see it with fresh eyes.
I’ll be so happy when Emma has actually made a choice and it’s done with so we can go back and look for the clues that it was there all along! (I firmly believe they set up both to have something to cling to until this rotten mess is done and clearly both ships are popular and have good merits to either, some of us just have a very specific preference), but based on what we know right now, I still firmly believe in CaptainSwan and am trying not to let it worry me too much. Some episodes seem pro-the other way at first glance and then I still find good stuff that makes me believe even more but I do look forward to it being done with and looking back and I trust the writers.
With regards to upcoming stuff:
Stills are out now. Not sure what to think yet: It looks like Rumple, Neal, and Emma go to get Wendy but I’m not sure where Snowing, Regina, Hook, and Tink are at the time. I thought from the press release that Tink and Neal would be going off somewhere but it looks like if the group is separated, Hook and Emma are apart again. =/ That being said…it could potentially be really good. Should be some interesting looks before they part ways for a bit, and what I’m really really hoping is that we get some Tink and Hook scenes! From Tink’s interview, the actress said that they were friends/former allies and she teased that Tink “may or may not” help CaptainSwan so I’d love it if we got them talking about stuff and Tink saying something like “You really love her, don’t you?” and having a nice friendly chat about that since she’s big on TL and she’s pretty intuitive and should recognize that something is bugging Hook.
I still think she had a thing for him back in the day and whatever she did to pursue him, if she did, was enough to cause him to blush, but he’s firmly with Emma and he didn’t give up his revenge for Tink so I love the idea that they’re friends and we might get to see him have someone to confide in about Emma! He certainly can’t talk to Snowing or Regina about it, and with Neal and Rumple out of earshot and Tink by his side, maybe he can express some of these things he’s been thinking/feeling that haven’t been brought out so that we know his fears officially and stuff? He needs someone to talk to! Plus I’d love it if Tink wants to be helpful to think and I think that will be the case. She seems to think people have to be together if they are meant to be so she’ll want to make sure they get that. (Thankfully she shouldn’t have any pixie dust on her to help prove anything cause I want Emma to choose – not Tink’s dust to do it for her, but I think it would be nice if she offered to help Hook with it someday and he turns her down because he needs Emma to choose him and it would hurt too much knowing she should have if she doesn’t or something.
*we may need to prove it somehow someday so that the other side believes in and it’s officially over and done with but not until Emma chooses unless it’s done really really well* (I don’t want Emma to make a choice based on something looking like it’s proof or not. I’m still not sure what a TLK would do between Emma and Neal even because it worked for Emma and Henry and we know that Emma and Neal do love each other but aren’t in love but you don’t have to be IN love to make TLK work – apparently – so I don’t want to test it out by any of those means).
Likewise I have issues with next week’s Henry’s heart thing. We don’t know if Product of TL automatically = heart can’t be taken and we also don’t know if Emma could WILLINGLY take her own heart out, but it looks like Pan wants Henry to offer to do that with his so is the fact that his heart *might* be removable with permission/doing it himself automatically mean he’s not the product of TL? I just don’t know! So I feel like until they do something that legitimately proves it with none of these pesky technical questions, it won’t be over for the fans even if it’s over on the show. So I really need Emma to make a choice, stick to it and make it crystal clear, and then probably at some point, have her share an actual TLK to break goodness knows what (or pixie dust or SOMETHING to prove once and for all because I don’t think the fandom is going to hold together otherwise).
I do think it’s interesting that we saw pixie dust be brought into the equation this year. I think that TLK *might* work for Emma/Neal because it’s a genuine love and we know it worked for Emma/Henry, but then Charming had to wait for Snow (wouldn’t Henry have been able to wake him up?) – so I’m not clear on the exact dynamics of that which puts an asterisk for me.
Same thing with heart-pulling as I specified a moment ago. So I’m just not sure, but we did get another method introduced to us within this arc with the pixie dust. Tink doesn’t have any right now but if anybody down the line questions it and she does have some? She could always help an old friend out and offer to prove it once and for all so that both characters and fans will have to accept whatever the outcome is (and I fully expect the outcome of pixie dust to = Emma’s choice. I don’t see them having her make this huge emotional decision and then be like, nope, you were wrong, you need to pay attention to this guy.)
The only caveat I see with pixie dust proof is she keeps saying soul mate and there’s a whole big debate about soul mate vs TL though I’d like to think that Killian is both for her since they’ve already been established as kindred spirits and he gets who she is today better than anyone (and vice versa). Basically I don’t see this triangle ever being over within the fandom until a suitable person shows up for the 3rd wheel so that their guy is happy too, whichever it is.
Either way there’s a lot more to go and I can’t wait for the next episode! One step closer to finishing the triangle so that we can just root for our couple in peace!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.