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September 23, 2012 at 2:19 am #154355puzzledParticipant
Putting aside, for now, all the talk about years and which is what, there is one thing that the writers did give us and it was that Storybrooke, Emma and Henry all share the same birthday! The first was that we saw Emma being born on the day the Dark Curse reached her castle. Emma goes through the enchanted wardrobe and escapes the Curse. Would you agree that Storybrooke and Emma came into existence on the same day? If not, don’t bother reading on. If you do, then can we not say that Storybrooke and Emma share the same birthdate?
The writers tell us, as well as Henry and Emma for the next few episodes that Emma gave birth to Henry at age 18. The writers tell us that Henry is 10years old. The writers tell us in the Pilot that it is Emma’s 28th birthday several times. In order for these statements to remain true together there is only one possibility. Simply that Emma gave birth to Henry on her 18th birthday, right? Because one day later and Henry is still 9 on Emma’s 28th birthday…..and one day sooner, Emma is giving birth as a 17 year old. So, for both of those statements to remain true together, Emma had to have given birth to Henry on her 18th birthday…Also making true that If Emma and Storybrooke share the same birthday, then Henry does as well.
Now, I know we all accept truthful statements made by the writers, expressed through the characters, otherwise, we have no proof that Henry is even Emma’s son. I don’t remember an episode of Emma giving birth to Henry. So, I have to accept it as a truthful statement of the show.
I’m inclined to believe the newsprint article up to the last six words. But, it could have read anything after the word Swan. We don’t know what it read after that. And I don’t believe I’ve ever read that the night of a crime could ever be the conviction date as due process of law has to take place first! Conviction dates are usually far beyond the arrest date. If what some are basing the timeline on in Storybrooke is any earlier than 1983, than you’ll have a difficult time explaining all the 1983 vehicles in Storybrooke if time was frozen (another true statement by the writers) in 1979. (1996-17=1979). I’m sure the writers put that last sentence there, knowing we would assume and run with it….which is what we did.[adrotate group="5"]September 23, 2012 at 2:31 am #154358hjbauParticipantYeah, i agree that Emma’s birthday is the day that she arrived in the real world in real world terms. That only makes sense. I do not agree that Emma and Henry have the same birthday because Emma would know that and Emma would so say something. It makes no sense to me at all that they could gloss over that and pretend that Emma would not say something to Henry about it being his birthday.
Also in True North, Emma said she was in the system for 16 years to Mary and then when she was talking to Henry she said she was pretty young, just got out of the system when she met Henry’s father and got pregnant. So to me that means Emma was 16 when she got pregnant and had Henry at 17. It just makes no logical sense to me that Emma would know that it was Henry’s birthday and not say anything to him. It makes much more sense to me that Emma would lie about the age she was when she had Henry to Ashley who she just met.
September 23, 2012 at 11:31 am #154383PriceofMagicParticipantWhat episode did Henry first say he was 10? Was it it Price of Gold or was his age mentioned before then? I ask because Henry may have had a birthday off screen between the Pilot and Price of Gold. He has no friends and Regina wouldn’t tell Emma about it so it would be rather low key. If he is definitely 10 before finding Emma then Emma was lying when she said she had him at 18.
“Just got out of the system” doesn’t necessariliy mean she met Henry’s father the moment she left the system. I think some parts of the story she told Henry about his father were true such as coming to the diner where she worked. I think a couple of months passed between her leaving the system and meeting Henry’s father. I would say less than a year for Emma to consider herself as “just got out” but a few months for Emma to start getting her life together with a job.
I wonder if Henry’s birthday will be acknowledged in the first four episodes of season 2. Episode 5 would be Halloween so storywise that would have covered an entire year between Henry finding Emma and present day so Henry’s birthday must occur somewhere between that time.
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Keeper of FelixSeptember 23, 2012 at 1:40 pm #154396hjbauParticipantRegina says that Henry is ten in the pilot when Emma asks if he has a credit card. Emma has to know Henry’s birthday. There is no situation where i think it makes sense that Emma doesn’t know Henry’s birthday.
September 23, 2012 at 2:31 pm #154393gypsyParticipantOf course Emma knows Henry’s birthday, she’s his mother. Emma told Ashley/Cinderells she was 18 when she had a kid. She could have been 17 and 11monhts and rounded up and said 18. That would make Henry born a month before her birthday and he woukd be 10 at the time he met Emma on her 28th birthday. She could’ve had him 3 days, a week, 3weeks after her 18th birthday. That would technically make Henry still 9 when he met Emma, but he would be turning 10, Regina could’ve rounded up and said “he’s 10″…I know they didn’t acknowledge a birthday for Henry….but then again, they didn’t acknowledge any holidays at all. It seemed to be Fall in Storybrooke and Emma was there for a few months, so in ‘reality’ there should have been some holidays, that would give Storybrooke a time frame, and there is no time frame in Storybrooke because of time being frozen.
September 23, 2012 at 3:09 pm #154408hjbauParticipantHenry says that he is 10 as well in Ep 2 when he and Emma leave the diner after he sends her the hot chocolate. I do think Henry is 10 not 9 and that Emma just had him when he was 17. Like you said her birthday is in the fall. I can’t think of when the last time Henry says his age is. The only holiday i think we are shown is valentines day and i don’t think Henry’s age is mentioned after that, but i can’t be sure. I agree that they will probably do his birthday off screen during season 2 and he will just be 11. Regardless of any of that Emma was 17 when she had Henry.
September 23, 2012 at 3:20 pm #154411marilouParticipantdidn’t Emma said she gave birth to henry in prison? if so she could not have given birth to him at 17… minors don’t go to prison (unless you know… murder)
September 23, 2012 at 3:32 pm #154412gypsyParticipantIn S1E4 The Price of Gold, Emma tells Ashley she was 18 when she had a kid. I think it’s more than likely that she was 17, almost 18 and just rounded up when she said that to Ashley. I mean, like I said, if she was 17 and 11 mnoths, for instance, she wouldn’t say “I was 17 and 11 months…” and being that she was closer to 18 than 17, she would say 18…..
September 23, 2012 at 6:33 pm #154424hjbauParticipantEmma was in juvy though. They said it was a juvy record and was supposed to be sealed, so Regina illegally obtained them somehow.
September 24, 2012 at 5:36 am #154449surayyaParticipantOk, from what I can find out, when you turn 18 in juvy, you can actually finish out your sentence there if it’s to end with-in 6mths.
So it is possible that since Emma was being told she couldnt keep her kid, that she wouldnt make a good mother & giving him up would be best for him etc, that she did in deed give birth to him in that last 6mth period or she could have been arrested (while pregnant) at age 17 & given birth 3-8wks before her 18th birthday (as Gypsy said).
I know she told Henry that they took him off her, however she would have had to sign paper work or something saying she was handing him over before she had him & if she changed her mind after he arrived, it was just to bad- I read that usually the child is put into the system if the family or a temporary home/foster carer isn’t or hasn’t been arranged by the time the child arrives.Just throwing it out there 🙂
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