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@Chris wrote:

Earlier today, I was thinking of Frankenstein and scienence, so I did a bit of math. (Not my strong suit so correct me if I did a mistake in the equation)
If you take the Letters K and FL as their respective elements in the periodic table, you get Kalium (19) and Flerovium (114). Add them together and you get 133. Now taking the rest of the licencse plate into account it looks somewhat like that:

2×133+138= 404

404, is a dead link.

Could it be that the driver of that car was someone who was thought lost by his brother (a dead link to the past) or maybe even resurected. Pennsylvania might have been choosen because ouf the resamblance to Transylvania.

Wow! Great insight. I would never have spotted this, but I wouldn’t put it past these writers to come up with something so intricate. One minor addition that doesn’t change any of Chris’ argument: element 19 is potassium in English ( kalium is the Latin name).

[cheshireinwonderland]

Another reason why we shouldn’t put anything past the writers of this show, however I don’t seem to remember them doing something quite so intricate in the past, except maybe James Whale linking to Frankenstein. This all could just be a red herring you know.

One thing I like to do is try to figure out what the writers would want to tell us. What would be the point of revealing who the character was in a secret code that they literally shoved right in our faces? If I was the writer, I would be a little more subtle. For instance, the James Whale clue. They mentioned his name once or twice, but they weren’t obvious about it until the episode “Broken” where David asks Dr. Whale directly about who he is.

The 404 error is a good theory, and it would certainly be subtle. Here are some quotes from Wikipedia about the 404 error:

A 404 error indicates that the requested resource may be available again in the future; however, the fact does not guarantee the same content.

If we apply this to Greg, does that mean that in order to protect the secret of Storybrooke, the fairy tale characters have to make him lose his memory, and once it’s lost he isn’t the same person? I’m starting to think that that could be what happens, and the fact that a 404 link is a “lost” (as in memory loss, not the show Lost, which would also be a nod) or “broken” (first episode of Season 2) link leads in this direction too is also a good indication of this.

In 2008, a study carried out by the telecommunications arm of the Post Office found that “404” had become a slang synonym for “clueless” in the United Kingdom.

Does this indicate that Greg is a clueless character? Will he figure out what’s going on? Will he become clueless if he loses his memory?

The web site hosting server will typically generate a “404 Not Found” web page when a user attempts to follow a broken or dead link; hence the 404 error is one of the most recognizable errors users can find on the web.

This seems to me to be a good reason why the writers would point us in this direction. If the clue was something obscure, there would be next to no chance of solving it.

Just some thoughts on the matter, hope they can help in solving this mystery.

— CheshireinWonderland.

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I had to revive this old topic from Season Two because I just found some new information that ties it to Season Three.  To save everyone from re-reading all the previous posts in this thread, I’ll say that a bunch of us were speculating about the significance of Greg’s license plate “2KFL-138” when he first appeared in the second season episode, “The Outsider.” Phee and several others suspected that Greg might have a connection to Peter Pan.  I incorrectly guessed the license plate might refer to The Wizard of Oz since MGM bought the rights to the story in 1938: i.e. read “2KFL-138” as “Took Flight in ’38“.

It turns out I had the right idea but the wrong movie. I didn’t think of Peter Pan since that movie was released in 1953. But I just discovered  from this web page that Disney bought the rights to Peter Pan in 1938! So they were giving us a big clue back in the second season, along with the deleted scene of Henry and Neal discussing navigation and Neverland in “The Miller’s Daughter”  (which we recently discussed in the Baes Cave thread) and clues going all the way back to the clock reading 8:15 in the pilot reflecting the image of Peter and the Darlings standing on the minute hand of Big Ben at 8:15 in Disney’s Peter Pan.

[Phee]

Actually, I was totally on board with it having been a reference to the Wizard Of Oz movie, and became a bit hellbent on the fact that THO was gonna have to have some tie to Oz. That theory didn’t work out so great. 😆

Anyway, that’s very cool that the “took flight” and the movie date theory does actually fit, it’s just we were thinking of the wrong movie. So close!

[kfchimera]

Even funnier is that the actor for Greg was in a very OUAT sounding remake/mashup movie with Wizard of Oz characters.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[RumplesGirl]

Maybe it could refer to both, though? Cause I *still* think Dorothy and Oz come to play somehow. (refuses to give up dream)

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[rumpunziltiltskin]

K, so I’m a bit late. Just watched this on Nflix, got intrigued by the PA plate’s meaning, and here I am. Got more ideas about it from these posts, too. Random dissociative thoughts:

Plate read fuzzily backwards is BELLEKS.

KS = Keystone State (PA’s “tag” – and it’s the icon between 2KFL and 138 on the plate, btw). Also, duh, Kansas. (Happens to have a town called Belle Plaine in it. Who knew?)

Flip the 2K backwards, separate the K, and u have >IS. So, BELLE>IS. Is what? Who knows. Shot and bleeding and on the wrong side of The Line, for three. I like the Belle and KS implications better. Rooting for Oz plots, too…

Interesting you folks mention 34th Street, too. But not in the context I had already, before venturing in here. My 34th Street reference was the picture of the little house for sale that Snow and Co were looking at earlier in the episode. Looked immediately to me like the same one Susan expected Kris to cough up, else he was just a nice old man with a beard. 🙂 Didn’t know there was a ’94 version. Nor do I want to see it, as remakes make me ill. Haven’t bothered to see if I have the house right. Feel free…

An addendum to the 404 idea. Its use isn’t always benign – you can have a 404 tossed up precisely cuz “they” intended it – your IP, timestamped, at the very least, is now known to whomever the interested parties are. Prolly got cookies for your clicking in, as well. Just a FYI.

There’s more rattling around re s2e11, but I’ll spare you.

Cheers

[Cinders]

As a long time lurker on this sight I hope you’re not offended when I say, it’s threads like this one which always made me think “These people are crazy and rediculous.”  But here I am, almost a year later, saying “These crazy ridiculous people are geniuses!”   High five to all of your predictions and interpretations.  I truly wish that someone from the props department could come here and tell you if the license plates were clues, or truly random numbers. Thank you so much for the interesting read.

[rumpunziltiltskin]

Thanks for my assumed share of your high 5, Cinder. I enjoyed reading these crazy folk’s notions prior to mine, too. Yep, we get tagged that way frequently. Whether that’s us whackos getting branded geniuses or us geniuses getting branded whackos is Brander’s Choice. See your spelling’s improved in the past year+ – fist bump back atcha! 😛

Looked up the house from the original Mo34thSt – had it close, but it wasn’t the same exact home from the movie. Perhaps its address has some significance somehow, so I mention it here in case: 24 Derby St., Port Washington, NY (on Long Island). Maybe the one in this episode was used in the ’94 remake? (Apparently there are several remakes – get an original idea once, lazy bums!) Would make some sense, considering the tie-in to her appearing in it. Tired of tapping the tablet – off to watch some more of S2.

Yeah, swiped the user pic for this reply. It’s not really my self-image, though. Honest! Will delete it soon…

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