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January 2, 2014 at 1:47 pm #234893
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ParticipantWR– Obviously, you WANT the wicked sister’s thing–but it isn’t the most logical thing to happen. The thing with logic is, you can’t really rule things out or in so definitively. It is a story, and one with magic. Many crazy things are possible! What I do think is they’ve given no indication up til now that there was another child that Cora had. So I wouldn’t put “Wicked Sisters” very high up on the list, but sure, it is possible. Cousins are also very likely, as Cora complained of not being directly in line for the throne, and we never did find out why that was. Second, if they do a flashback sequence for Charming, whether it is about James or Charming, it could involve some quest to discover his father’s history for all we know. We know so little of the plot to be able to logically say at this point, and for all we know, Josh will play David’s Dad in HIS younger days! (Good looking family,isn’t it?) Above anything though, I really want more of Maleficient’s story, so I am just so partial to tying WWW to her. Since they made the mistake of killing her off too fast, next best thing is to follow it up Oz style with her sister swooping in (and could even have a line like, you dropped a town on my sister! since Regina made her the fail-safe guardian under the town).
Very true KFC…but as fir David playing young daddy…hmmm…(shakes head) I don’t necessarily see it. And don’t get me wrong at all…I loved Maleficent to death, but it seemed that she’s dead but revitalizing her strength. And I would love for Regina to have her bad girl bestie back! Which could go into the probable story of Sleeping Beauty.
But I just see WickedSisters holding just a little more ground personally because for one…I think most of us can agree on the Wizard end up being the Witch’s father, and two…something happened that sent the Witch down this path of wickedness. And her being a younger sister who was always overlooked, and put down while she sees Regina being placed on a pedestal by Cora…I can see sibling rivalry erupting big time. The WWW was nothing but the spare in Cora’s eyes while Regina was the heir. However the WWW has no idea the mental torture Regina went through because of her being Cora’s “favorite”. That just sounds like a great storyline to go with to me, and considering that Snow not only killed Cora, but is also part of Regina’s family, will make the Charmings just as much of a target for the WWW.
But I can see the main conflict being between Regina and WWW… who are two sisters scorned by their mother, and screwed over in life that ultimately led them to becoming wicked. The only difference is that you have a reforming elder wicked sister going up against a scorned baby wicked sister…and I say let the fireballs be thrown.
My biggest issues WickedSisters is that timeline. It hurt my head to try and work it out. My second issue is that it goes against the way Cora and Regina were presented in S1 and S2; Regina being Cora’s only chance at getting to a throne. It feels retcon-y.
HappyEndings wrote: Like I said before according to Adam’s twitter at the 1st of the Season we are to get more of David’s history. I seriously doubt it would anything to do with Regina like a sister etc.
I actually think that was ATX festival in early summer, but wherever he said it…he and Eddy said it. I would hope they do something with Charming outside of Snow for a change. I feel like we hardly really know him outside of Prince Charming. He was David first.
Well…it’s been shown by Pan to abandon a child without a look back, and Cora not having her heart…I can see her doing that with the WWW. However, I’d prefer if the WWW either ran away to Oz because of her feeling unloved by Cora, or Cora possibly just giving her up when she reaches a certain age so that WWW won’t be a “weakness” to Regina.
And as far as David, I agree…we need a little pre Snow history rather than Prince James days history! Just sort of wrap up his backstory of his shepherd days. However I’d much prefer to see Flynn Ryder than them mash David with him and have him rescue Rapunzel from the Witch’s tower… Or episode 14 could be Past EF during the course of their return there.
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January 2, 2014 at 2:26 pm #234899HappyEndings
SpectatorIt looks like the curse scroll to me, but idk why that would have any effect on Emma. A picture of she and the family would make sense, but idk if she ever took one. Unless it were one of Henry with Regina….
I think it could possibly be something else she finds in Neal’s apartment when she’s there and sees the dream catcher. After seeing the dream catcher, she picks up something else that she also recognises as being from their time together, and her “That’s not possible” is because one thing (the dream catcher) could have been coincidence, but two things is more like proof that this random address Hook gave her is actually Neal’s place, which means he knows Neal, so maybe the rest of what he’s saying is true too. It’s not exactly conclusive, and is sorta hard to see because the shot is so dark, but I lightened it up a bit, and it looks to me like that moulding that’s behind Emma’s head could possibly be the doorway through to Neal’s bedroom from the living area.
Also, again, I know it’s dark because the underside of whatever she’s holding is in shadow, but the Curse scroll had gold detailing on it, and there’s no hint of that in this shot, so I doubt that’s what it is.If not a photo of MM, Emma and Henry they perhaps a photo of Neal with Tamara?
January 2, 2014 at 4:17 pm #234907kfchimera
ParticipantNeal and Tamara would not mean much to Emma, nor even young Neal and Emma,unless her memory erased him and how she got that car. So then seeing a photo of her with a man she does not remember next to a car she does own might throw her. Yet I think the most dramatic “not possible” thing for Emma to see is a photo of 11 year old Henry with her and Neal.
Thing is, it did not seem like Neal had tons of time for that in Manhattan (the episode), but they did go to get Pizza. Henry mentioned needing to go get his camera before the museum. So maybe that was the next day (weren’t the clothes different?). These days you can send a photo from your phone and pick it up in an hour even from lots of places, or print yourself but Neal doesn’t seem that into technology other than his smartphone, so if there was a night between these scenes that is long enough and I could see proud papa Neal doing just that, snapping and framing a picture. Especially as there were not any framed photos that we saw of Tamara that I recall either from S1 broken when we were scouring for clues to “Mystery Man”‘s identity or the later apartment shots. The closest thing was a woman’s bowling trophy, which might have been part of the vintage odds and ends he had.
So if it is Neal’s apartment and a picture Neal had, that seems like a new picture versus what Gold or Emma could have seen.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
January 2, 2014 at 4:19 pm #234909RumplesGirl
KeymasterIt might be a pic of Snow and Emma, sure. Emma would have no memory of meeting Snow White/Mary Margaret. But where did the pic come from? SB was destroyed.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"January 2, 2014 at 4:34 pm #234916kfchimera
ParticipantThey dropped a breadcrumb that Henry had a camera in NY when they went to find “Gold’s son”–odd given how cameras are built in smart phones, and we saw Emma with a smart phone too on the beach. We saw Neal use a device (and lose it, ouch) too like that, so I think if it is Neal’s apartment and a photo–it could be one he took that day/night they all met, or that Henry did. The Snow/MM pic that was in the loft with Emma would be back in SB or a field or something, or in Emma’s new apartment perhaps with fake memories attached to it.
The molding and dreamcatcher do seem like the ones he had, but she also may be somewhere else entirely.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
January 2, 2014 at 4:36 pm #234917RumplesGirl
KeymasterThey dropped a breadcrumb that Henry had a camera in NY when they went to find “Gold’s son”–odd given how cameras are built in smart phones, and we saw Emma with a smart phone too on the beach. We saw Neal use a device (and lose it, ouch) too like that, so I think if it is Neal’s apartment and a photo–it could be one he took that day/night they all met, or that Henry did. The Snow/MM pic that was in the loft with Emma would be back in SB or a field or something, or in Emma’s new apartment perhaps with fake memories attached to it. The molding and dreamcatcher do seem like the ones he had, but she also may be somewhere else entirely.
Good point. It could be a a pic of Neal and Emma (with Gold in the background?) in the apartment. I could see Henry snapping a pic of everyone, looking super tense and annoyed.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"January 2, 2014 at 4:37 pm #234918Cinders
ParticipantI just wish Emma really was looking at a picture taken by Neal. A selfie, of Neal and Henry, with Rumple photo bombing in the background.
January 2, 2014 at 9:19 pm #234935HappyEndings
SpectatorIt might be a pic of Snow and Emma, sure. Emma would have no memory of meeting Snow White/Mary Margaret. But where did the pic come from? SB was destroyed.
Regina could have sent that with them like how she started SB because how would Emma know to to to NY and get an apt did Regina set that up too?
I don’t think it was from Neal’s camera because that is why they went back to the apt then Rumple was stabbed.
January 2, 2014 at 9:35 pm #234936Phee
ParticipantI just don’t think it’s the right size to be a photo. It looks like the ends of whatever it is fit inside her fists, so it’s only a couple inches wide at most, and it’s several inches long. Unless it’s a panoramic photo, the dimensions simply aren’t right for it to be a photo.
If she is in Neal’s apartment, and it is something from their past, it would have to be something we would recognise as well, otherwise it’s too random for them to include it. They didn’t have many things though, so the only thing I could think that it could be is if he’d cut a strip out of the map, the part that had Tallahassee on it. That idea might be a bit far fetched, but on the other hand, this is gonna be another ep named after a city, (and we’re also seeing the dream catcher from the same scene the map was in), so part of the map might actually be a fitting prop.
Neal and Tamara would not mean much to Emma, nor even young Neal and Emma,unless her memory erased him and how she got that car.
Far as we know, her memories were only changed from the birth of Henry and beyond. So she still remembers everything about her old life with Neal. If Hook’s trying to get her to believe him, then pointing her in the direction of something from her past that he couldn’t possibly know about would be a way to prove to her that he’s legit. The only people who know details about Emma’s old life with Neal, are Emma and Neal, because it’s not like they used to mingle and associate with other people who got to know them and their stories of their life together. So it’s not like Hook could plant these things to mess with her, he must actually know Neal.
January 2, 2014 at 10:18 pm #234945HappyEndings
SpectatorI am still betting it is a photo of Snow, Emma and Henry. When Emma and Henry were leaving SB where did they go Emma gave her place up in Boston so they couldn’t go there so if Regina set Emma up in an apt or how did that work?
Plus how did Henry go to school without records from SB?
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