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Well, then, Hook couldn’t have used his ship to cast the curse. He loves his ship but he loves Emma far more. He confirmed this much – he was hoping his love for his ship could replace his love for Emma after they returned to the EF but it couldn’t. So…ok, now I’m back to Hook didn’t cast the curse. Whew! 😉 Hook’s hiding something, but I’m definitely back on the ‘he traded his ship to get back, not to cast the curse’ team. haha
One word: talismans.
They are a big deal this season. The episode the JR was all about how Hook sees Emma AS the JR and the JR AS EMMA. Get the JR was getting Emma back. The love he bears Emma and his ship are almost identical. That love TRANSFERS to the ship, just like Charming’s courage is in his sword. The sword itself is not courage but an enchanted object.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I am almost buying the JR theory. It makes way more sense than having Philora kill anyone (and besides, neither of them have demonstrated magical abilities). The latter issue though makes Hook casting the curse equally problematic.
What if it was Glinda though? I dislike that idea for many reasons, but she’s a powerful sorceress…and maybe she thought that sending everyone back would keep them safe?
I’m also trying to figure out if Zelena could have made Rumple cast it somehow using Bae’s heart which is inside him but…that doesn’t make much sense.
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Personally, I don’t know which theory I believe because they all have problems and they all have merits.
Hook: the talisman theory DOES work because this show does not have enough internal logic to say that “X” can’t happen at all. There are tons of loopholes every time someone casts a curse. Peter needs the heart of thing he loves most and somehow it ends up being Felix because loyalty? Loophole. Regina has to give up Henry forever in order for the counter curse to work but there are no consequences to Henry coming back to SB and being around Regina? Loophole, also PLOT. The Countercurse should affect Emma because she was born in the EF but she escapes because Savior? Loophole. Therefore, we cannot say for sure that Hook could not have used the JR to cast a curse using “heart” logic. We’ve seen the idea of talisman this entire season and it’s loopholey enough to work.
However, Hook doesn’t know and/or practice magic. So that’s a big hurdle to overcome.
Philora: on the one hand, it would parallel Neal. A man, once thought dead, comes back and then is killed at the hands of the women he loves in order to save his child from the Wicked Witch. I can see Philip offering up his life in order to save his wife and child.
However, they don’t know magic. So that’s a big hurdle to overcome.
Glinda: knows magic. Could easily cast a curse.
However, this is her first (and only?) time on screen. They would have to introduce her character AND the thing she loves most and given the GUEST CAST list, there is no one that meets that requirement because you don’t have the Wizard or Dorothy or any other OZ character.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I am almost buying the JR theory. It makes way more sense than having Philora kill anyone (and besides, neither of them have demonstrated magical abilities). The latter issue though makes Hook casting the curse equally problematic.
Does the curse caster have to have magical abilities? On the one hand, I’m almost inclined to agree with you, because Rumple targeted Regina to cast the first dark curse, and we know Regina has magic. On the other hand, maybe the reason Rumple targeted Regina wasn’t necessarily her magical ability, but her rage at Snow White, which became a catalyst for using the dark curse as a type of revenge. Also, the darker Regina went, the more willing she was to sacrifice her own father to get her revenge. Finally, I’d note that we saw Regina cast the dark curse in 1×2 and it was really more of a potion than a straight up spell. All Regina seemed to so was add ingredients rather than say an incantation or generate magic herself. Anyone could make a potion it seems, as long as they had a recipe to follow.
Maybe Zelena couldn’t cast the most recent curse herself, not because she lacked the magical ability, but because she’d have to sacrifice the thing she loves most, who appears to be Rumple. Zelena needs the dark one to do her bidding and also requires his brain. Maybe Zelena needed someone else to do it for her. If the person only needs to follow a recipe then it seems like even a non-magical person like Hook could be appropriate to cast the curse for Zelena. If, however, a magical person is required other than Zelena, then I supposed it would have to be Rumple or Glinda (since the thing Regina loved most is Henry, and he was safely in NYC during the missing year). However, I doubt it was Rumple who cast the curse, since Belle is still alive and well, but Neal was already absorbed inside of his father (weird). But there you have it.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Does the curse caster have to have magical abilities? On the one hand, I’m almost inclined to agree with you, because Rumple targeted Regina to cast the first dark curse, and we know Regina has magic. On the other hand, maybe the reason Rumple targeted Regina wasn’t necessarily her magical ability, but her rage at Snow White, which became a catalyst for using the dark curse as a type of revenge. Also, the darker Regina went, the more willing she was to sacrifice her own father to get her revenge. Finally, I’d note that we saw Regina cast the dark curse in 1×2 and it was really more of a potion than a straight up spell. All Regina seemed to so was add ingredients rather than say an incantation or generate magic herself. Anyone could make a potion it seems, as long as they had a recipe to follow.
It’s loop-holey. Even though it was Pan inside Henry’s body, it was still Henry’s body. Henry doesn’t have magic (that we’ve seen–at least not yet) but all Henry/Pan did was toss a bunch of stuff into a well. Stands to reason that anyone could do that, right?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Keb, I’m leaning towards Glinda at this point too. Quoting isn’t working for me right now.
I don’t think it’s Hook, because if he did it to protect everyone, he would have explained that at the beginning. He didn’t know about Zelena or who she was or what she wanted only that they were in danger. If he’s trying to protect everyone from Zelena, why wouldn’t he expose her? I don’t think he’s going to endanger baby Snowflake by letting Zelena pretend to be a midwife if he knew.
Quoting isn’t working for a lot of people. I’ve informed Daniel.
The problem with Glinda is that she’d have to give up the heart of the person she loves the most. We’ve never met her before so they’d have to set up a story where you are convinced that Glinda killed the person she loves most. But going off the cast list for this episode, there is no one. There are only a few guest stars and they are all ALIVE in present day SB.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m also leaning towards Glinda. What if the thing Glinda loves most is herself? Since the topic of sacrifice came up quite often this season, she could sacrifice herself to send all of them away from the Enchanted Forest to Storybrooke.
The Wicked Witch could have followed them easily with the silver slippers. This would also explain why she apparently still has her memories.
- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson
I’m also leaning towards Glinda. What if the thing Glinda loves most is herself? Since the topic of sacrifice came up quite often this season, she could sacrifice herself to send all of them away from the Enchanted Forest to Storybrooke.
That’s a really interesting idea. I’m pretty sure we don’t see Glinda at all post this episode.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Chris, good thought. Instead of a curse, she does a blessing and sacrifices her own heart to send everyone to Storybrooke to ptotect them. They are also able to reunite with Emma & Henry. Regina will be able to find her true love. Lots of blessings come with them coming back. Smee even gets frozen yogurt!
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