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Are we assuming there was no recognition between Cora and Leo or did they actually show that? What if Leo and Cora did both know where they were and WANTED him to marry Regina in spite of knowing.
The reason I say this is that something seems wrong with the timeline and the pictures.
When Cora was still the Miller’s daughter and had her “run in” with Ava with getting flour on her shoes after Ava tripped her I had the impression that Ava was there as a potential wife for Prince Henry. Cora was dressed like a peasant but then cleaned up for the ball.
Then Ava is nudged out of the way when Cora marries Henry.
In the pictures it appears to me that Ava and Leopold are married which means that Cora would ALREADY be married to Henry, which seems consistent with how Cora is dressed and standing – she doesn’t seem to be pretending to be royalty, she looks like she is older than the Miller’s Daughter episode and she looks like she has actually cleaned up.
I also don’t think Ava looks mad. To me it looks like all three of them are having a conversation and that Leo is actually GIVING Cora the jewel. To me Ava now looks kindly at Cora compared to being the childish snob she was when she tripped her in the Miller’s daughter.
I am wondering if somehow Ava found out about Cora getting pregnant because she wanted to have a royal baby and then giving it away when she found out she had been tricked and the baby would never be royalty. I think Ava can’t get pregnant and convinces Leo to get Cora to have a baby for them. I think Snow is actually Cora and Leo’s baby. Cora made a big deal about how she was so far down the line for the throne that she would probably never be Queen unless she offed everyone so I think she decided her only hope for power was to have her children be born into and then marry into royalty. She and Henry appeared to have a crappy relationship so something happened to make him fear her and make them have a unhappy marriage. I think she gave Snow to Ava and Leo, then offed Ava so that Regina was available to marry Leo. Then she had her daughter Regina as Queen and her daughter Snow as second in line to the throne.
So to stay consistent with the deeply disturbing nature of this week’s photos, I think Cora is being paid for being a surrogate mother with the jewels and then is, ahem, getting “business” started with Leo.
[adrotate group="5"]That’s a fascinatingly horrible storyline but it doesn’t really make sense. Regina’s older than Snow by 6-12 years depending on your estimates of their ages. Why would she have a baby with Leo 7 years AFTER marrying Prince Henry? And we already know that the baby in question is Zelena, who is most definitely NOT Snow White, and who IS older than Regina by her own telling. Also um marrying your elder daughter to your younger daughter’s baby daddy is NOT OK.
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Zelena and Rumple’s relationship feels like it was designed to be fodder for the OuaT Kink Meme.
POWER DYNAMICS! WEIRD SEXUAL POWER DYNAMICS EVERYWHERE.
Does she know that he used to have a thing with her mother? If both Zelena AND Regina never find out about that, what a freaking waste.
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My only explanation for how the writers could veer into such dangerous waters is to suggest that they must be writing a grotesque story in a similar vain as Nikolay Gogol’s The Nose, Victor Hugo’s The Hunchback of Notre Dame or Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein. In grotesque literature, the characters are meant to evoke both disgust and empathy. Rumplestiltksin is such a character who embodies both sets of pitiable and disgusting qualities. As despicable as Zelena’s actions are, the writers are trying to make her pitiable. By revealing that Cora chose to wed her youngest daughter to the father of her eldest daughter, we’re meant to recoil in disgust while also empathizing with Zelena and Regina’s horrible circumstances. Cora, the spurned lover of Leopold, sacrificed the result of their torrid love affair and then lived vicariously through the marriage of her legitimate daughter to that same king.
This is a very risky gamble, however, since the audience may not respond well at all to the grotesque. When done well, characters like Rumplestiltksin actually evoke feelings of great empathy, but when done poorly, characters like Cora mostly just evoke disturbing feelings of disgust. We’ll see if the writers can successfully transform Zelena into a tortured soul who yearns for redemption or if she’ll descend further into her psychotic madness. Zelena sexually controlling Rumplestiltskin via his dagger may be the bridge too far to making the audience ever empathize with her, and she’ll become Cora 2.0, who already did the whole master-apprentice love affair thing in season two.
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Why would she have a baby with Leo 7 years AFTER marrying Prince Henry?
Cora wanted to be Queen. She wouldn’t risk that by having an affair with another man, after marrying Henry.
I think this has to be before the Miller’s Daughter.
So:
–Peasant Cora has baby by Jonathan
–Meets Leo and his young bride Eva who are deeply in love
–Cora gets in good with them. Eva and Leo take pity on Cora because they are good people
–Cora tries to seduce Leo into leaving Eva and marrying her so that she can be royalty and help her raise baby Zelena
–Eva finds out what is going on and dismisses Cora from the castle, sending her back to be a peasant
–Cora still wants to be royal and realizes Zelena is in the way of that so she abandons her in the woods
–The Events of the Miller’s Daughter
–Cora later gives Leo a memory potion to erase all memories of their encounters
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Ugh… no likey. You would think A&E have put Rumbelle fans through enough already.
I don’t think she is forcing him. Rumple is a master manipulator and I could totally see him taking advantage of one of her weaknesses to try to get the dagger back. That could be why she looks so upset afterwards. He fails and tells her off and is hurt that it was a ruse. At least I hope… if she forces him b/c of the dagger that would be all sorts of messed up….
Definitely looks like she is getting Regina’s heart this episode though my guess is that it is towards the end. So she can technically control Regina now as well? Also not sure why they flashing back to the sleeping curse scene again?
I don’t think Leo is the papa. Looks to me like Cora sleeps with this Jonathan person and gets pregnant. He betrays her/dies or something and she meets Leo. Ava wants to marry Leo so she frames Cora and Cora is now pregnant and alone. Zelena being a True Love baby is a good hypothesis because it helps to explain how she is so powerful but if that was the case why would she need Emma’s powers gone? TL + the DO should hypothetically be more powerful than TL + Regina?
This episode confuses me lol.
I don’t think Apprentice Zelena has any clue that Rumple was with her mom. She might know now though.
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You know you’ve been watching a Fairy Tale show too long when you find yourself saying “I’m tired of memory potions, can’t it be something else?”
I don’t think she is forcing him. Rumple is a master manipulator and I could totally see him taking advantage of one of her weaknesses to try to get the dagger back. That could be why she looks so upset afterwards. He fails and tells her off and is hurt that it was a ruse. At least I hope… if she forces him b/c of the dagger that would be all sorts of messed up….
The problem I have with this is that Rumple IS a master manipulator. Surely he would have thought of another way that didn’t involve this horrifying-ness.
This episode confuses me lol.
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I don’t think Apprentice Zelena has any clue that Rumple was with her mom. She might know now though.
Apprentice Zelena, no. Zelena with magic floor, yes.
You know you’ve been watching a Fairy Tale show too long when you find yourself saying “I’m tired of memory potions, can’t it be something else?”
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Wait. I just went back and watched all the scenes from The Miller’s Daughter that have Princess Ava in them. It is pretty clear that she was there to hopefully marry Prince Henry and join their two kingdoms together. If that is the case the scenes with Cora, Leo, and Ava can’t be before the Miller’s daughter because Ava wasn’t married during the Miller’s a Daughter.
So that means that Cora really is royalty at that point and is married to Prince Henry.
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