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Thanks TheGoldenKey! Means a lot especially from you since you usually find these elaborate connections I never even dreamed of even for stories I’m familiar with!
I’m usually so far behind on all these connections and I know many are confused/disappointed about the name so I looked into it and there were just too many coincidences for it not to be important somehow (especially given some of the potential routes we’re now thinking they’re going). It’s such an odd little story but it’s nice when they make connections like that and make it mean something. (Plus it makes us look into the original stories deeper and find all of them which is cool too!)
I totally understand wanting a name like Adam (I was expecting it too since he’s Beast but since I really can’t imagine Belle calling him anything other than Rumple I don’t think it matters much) and really…Rumplestiltskin is what he is. He assumed the typical role in various other stories INCLUDING B&tB, Peter Pan, and even Cinderella, but he is still Rumplestiltskin and Belle has always called him Rumple so it’s fine the more I think of it that way. Belle never fell in love with someone called Beast. He was always her Rumple.
So it makes sense that they’re using the long-kept-secret first name of Mr. Gold (if they’re still going that route) for his father’s name and giving us his backstory. It doesn’t MATTER what the Storybrooke cursed name is at this point because while they are both, they are still mostly the FTL part of their character deep down (but have SB memories sprinkled in which changes who they would have been somewhat but not at their core), and so it makes sense that the name connects to whoever they’re making HIM connect to – in this case, as long thought, it’s in connection to the story of Peter Pan which is why we’re finding out about it now.
It’s looking more and more likely that Malcolm and Pan are connected and possibly one in the same. I’m still very curious as to why that might be and to see how it plays out. We need his motivations for doing such a strange thing and we need to find out what Rumple knows etc. But there are a LOT of coincidences in that strange little excerpt from one of Barrie’s Peter Pan stories for them not to have taken it from there to relate Rumple to Pan in some way. The more I think about it the more excited about it I am (still not a huge fan of the name but once it makes sense with connections then it becomes vastly more appealing!)
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Belle never fell in love with someone called Beast. He was always her Rumple. So it makes sense that they’re using the long-kept-secret first name of Mr. Gold (if they’re still going that route) for his father’s name and giving us his backstory. It doesn’t MATTER what the Storybrooke cursed name is at this point because while they are both, they are still mostly the FTL part of their character deep down
I agree that it really doesn’t matter what his SB first name is, it’s not like Belle’s going to start calling him Malcolm lol, or any of the others for that matter. He’ll still be Mr. Gold. I can’t see David bursting into Gold’s shop and yelling “Malcolm!” haha. We’ll just have the knowledge of his fake first name but he’ll still be Rumple/Gold to everyone.
Phee wrote: It could still go the other way given the 311 set photos, but to my mind, the Brothers theory still makes more sense, and I think it’d be odd if they just ignored that whole plot point from Barrie’s original where Pan has a younger brother, and he feels replaced, which plays a significant role in him going to NL. I’m sure it’ll be a great story however they’ve written it, but I’m sticking to TeamBrothers until the bitter end.
To me it makes about 100000000% more sense than some sort of trippy de-aged father who is going by Peter and Rumple doesn’t recognize as his father. That just seems..forced. Whatever the story I know Robbie and Bobby will kill it but…yeah. TeamBrothers until the end.
I will admit – TeamBrothers has been growing on me. But I have never been sold on Pan as Rumple’s father. It would be crazy to me that Rumple wouldn’t recognize his father even if he had de-aged. Can’t you look at pictures of your parents when they were in their Teens and pick them out right away? However, Pan being his brother makes so much more sense to me. If he was his older brother who became this big magical being, of course Rumple would fear him. He perhaps grew up being afraid of his brother – havent quite decided why yet. Maybe because Pan took his magical object (Pandora’s box) and opened it.
Crack theory time!
Rumple and his brother Peter were very close as children. However, they had a father who treated them poorly and the two boys decide they need to get away from him. Rumple receives help (I want to say Blue but she isnt in the credits. boo) and is given a way for him an his brother to escape their father:Pandora’s box. However, Peter, being curious about the boxes powers, opens it prematurely. All of the bad entities that reside in Pandoras box rushed out and into the nearest living thing – Pan. Because of this, Pan becomes the big baddie we know (and love) today.
HENCE why Rumple fears him – he knows what he is made of.
Rumple and his brother Peter were very close as children. However, they had a father who treated them poorly and the two boys decide they need to get away from him. Rumple receives help (I want to say Blue but she isnt in the credits. boo) and is given a way for him an his brother to escape their father:Pandora’s box. However, Peter, being curious about the boxes powers, opens it prematurely. All of the bad entities that reside in Pandoras box rushed out and into the nearest living thing – Pan. Because of this, Pan becomes the big baddie we know (and love) today.
This I love. (and Blue could totally be behind things but not directly interfering)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Crack theory time!
Rumple and his brother Peter were very close as children. However, they had a father who treated them poorly and the two boys decide they need to get away from him. Rumple receives help (I want to say Blue but she isnt in the credits. boo) and is given a way for him an his brother to escape their father:Pandora’s box. However, Peter, being curious about the boxes powers, opens it prematurely. All of the bad entities that reside in Pandoras box rushed out and into the nearest living thing – Pan. Because of this, Pan becomes the big baddie we know (and love) today.
HENCE why Rumple fears him – he knows what he is made of.
Something like this happening would be awesome!
Hmm…The more I think about. As creepy as it sounds Pan being Rumple’s father is starting to make sense. Now all I want Pan to say is “I am your father” and the Star Wars circle would be complete.
Besides it would be a bit poetic Father who started out good becomes power hunger crazy has Son who starts good then becomes power hunger crazy. Only difference being Son does right thing at end…hopefully … most likely.
Hmm…The more I think about. As creepy as it sounds Pan being Rumple’s father is starting to make sense. Now all I want Pan to say is “I am your father” and the Star Wars circle would be complete.
Yep. Daddy issues. Plus we know Adam and Eddy are total Star Wars fans.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
darkones1fan wrote: Hmm…The more I think about. As creepy as it sounds Pan being Rumple’s father is starting to make sense. Now all I want Pan to say is “I am your father” and the Star Wars circle would be complete.
Yep. Daddy issues. Plus we know Adam and Eddy are total Star Wars fans.
Yes but the question is how. We know Rumple thinks that he and PP were quite close and grew up together. But we also know that Rumple’s father abandoned him. *sigh* Please 308 give us some good answers.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yes but the question is how. We know Rumple thinks that he and PP were quite close and grew up together. But we also know that Rumple’s father abandoned him. *sigh* Please 308 give us some good answers.
We know that Rumple thinks his father left him. But what if Malcom just got turned into PP as the result of Pandora’s box gone awry? That would make Rumple be Luke Skywalker.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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