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October 28, 2014 at 8:43 pm #287978RumplesGirlKeymaster
She’s acting out the lyrics..let it go. The past is in the past. Let it go.
I am going to say something shocking: I hate the message of this song.
The past cannot be “let go.” It follows you wherever you go. And saying that you can somehow distance yourself from your past is a very romantic notion that we all like to think is possible, but it’s not. You’re past is a part of you. Always. You’re never ever free from it.
Like my current siggy say: there are ghosts everywhere. We carry them with us wherever we go.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 28, 2014 at 10:18 pm #287990Jenna_BParticipantShe’s acting out the lyrics..let it go. The past is in the past. Let it go.
I am going to say something shocking: I hate the message of this song. The past cannot be “let go.” It follows you wherever you go. And saying that you can somehow distance yourself from your past is a very romantic notion that we all like to think is possible, but it’s not. You’re past is a part of you. Always. You’re never ever free from it. Like my current siggy say: there are ghosts everywhere. We carry them with us wherever we go.
I must agree with you, RG! It actually kind of bothers me that the song is so huge, because it’s kind of not a great message to send to it’s young audience, in my opinion. However that’s the movie and this is discussion on the show. S0 —
NOT ‘letting go’ was the point of the entire episode, to me, and a huge part of Emma’s story as a whole. The entire scene with Emma and Hook going through the box – Emma wasn’t letting the past go, she was making peace with it. Up to this point, the things she keeps are chosen because they remind her of how hurt you can get – the glasses, the pic of Neal, the shoelace, the camera – INITIALLY she held onto them to remind her of the pain she’s experienced. However, the Emma that kept these objects is not the Emma we see today. She’s learning to overcome her past. To me, the scene with the box was incredibly important to her story because we see these objects take on entirely new meaning. Instead of reminding Emma of the pain she associated with those experiences, she’s realizing there was GOOD in each one of these experiences as well. Graham was her first friend in SB, the first person to start putting cracks in Emma’s walls. Emma and Neal truly loved each other, and Emma finally knows and can accept that what happened was not done because Neal didn’t love her, as she believed for over a decade, but because he was trying to give her her best chance. So there HAD to be a picture of Neal there….for her to not have one in a box of the most important things she held onto would, for me, be completely OOC an not organic (granted the pic was terrible because that moment never would have been captured on film – didn’t they have ANYTHING better? Even a BTS shot of Jen & MRJ?) And they had to make it obvious that, with all of the changes and attempts at new beginnings in the previous episode, Emma is still going to hold these items and keep them dear to her – but now she’s beginning to see the good, not the bad. This is HUGE for the character.
In regard to her mourning Neal…ok, I’m going to be blunt. I don’t think we’re going to see a lot of it. And if not seeing Emma and Henry mourn Neal is a deal breaker for some fans, I think they’re going to be greatly disappointed in the show. That’s not to say they shouldn’t mourn him, and that’s not to say it’s the correct choice on the part of the writers, but I think Neal’s death is just going to have more to do with Rumple than it will with Emma and Henry. Although Emma realizes the reasons behind Neal’s actions, and can forgive and start to see the good they shared, you’re still asking someone to forget a decade of pain she DID feel. That’s asking a lot. And if you’re of the opinion that Emma did not intend to reenter a romantic relationship with him, then they’re even more disconnected. It’s hard to swallow, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt, but asking this character at this point to openly mourn is asking for something I just don’t think the character can give.
As for Henry, agreed, his memories of Neal, when you consider both the real and the fake, are so all over the place, that’s going to screw up a 12/13 year old pretty good. I think if you’re asking Henry to mourn Neal the way an adult would mourn, you’re asking a lot of a screwed up 12/13 year old. At that age, do you even really know how to mourn? Considering you have two mothers who aren’t exactly great with emotions and coping themselves, are you going to know how to appropriately act, or are you going to push the way you feel aside and let yourself get caught up in the present? I think Henry’s not mourning is actually more in character than if he was showing genuine sadness over Neal’s death – not because he doesn’t feel it, but because this kid’s not going to know how to process it. Again, does it suck? Yeah. But I don’t think they way they’re going with Henry is necessarily inappropriate or OOC at this point. Actually, I think Henry’s decision to ask to shadow Rumple, with somewhat self-serving and hidden reasons is far more in character, considering the role models he’s had up to now. And if, when he finds out that Rumple killed Zelena ‘for Neal,’ Henry’s going to understand better than anyone, that is NOT what Neal would’ve wanted. I think at that point, it would be more understandable for Henry to be forced to admit the reality of losing his father, and see him genuinely allow himself to mourn at that point.
October 28, 2014 at 10:39 pm #287991CindersParticipantShe’s acting out the lyrics..let it go. The past is in the past. Let it go.
I am going to say something shocking: I hate the message of this song.
The past cannot be “let go.” It follows you wherever you go. And saying that you can somehow distance yourself from your past is a very romantic notion that we all like to think is possible, but it’s not. You’re past is a part of you. Always. You’re never ever free from it.
Like my current siggy say: there are ghosts everywhere. We carry them with us wherever we go.
Oh, I beg to differ, but you can. And, speaking for myself, I have. You certainly can be free from it and let it go.
October 28, 2014 at 10:42 pm #287992TheWatcherParticipantOh, I beg to differ, but you can. And, speaking for myself, I have. You certainly can be free from it and let it go.
*poofs in* Me agree *poofs away*
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICOctober 28, 2014 at 10:51 pm #287993RumplesGirlKeymasterOk. I am going to try a different tactic. I am not going to mention Neal and Emma and OUAT until the end. Because I wasn’t going to respond to you, Jenna. This could go on for day and we’ll never agree. And there are reasons for that that exist outside of “you’re CS and I’m SF” and it could get exhausting. Quickly.
@Textbookone linked me article from the Hulk Critic today and it’s insanely long and (slightly) annoying to read that much in all caps but at the crux was the idea of emotional truth. My emotional truth vs your emotional truth and how when all people do is argue their emotional truths, the debate will never go anywhere because we aren’t arguing facts. We’re arguing feelings and you can’t know my emotional truth and I can’t know yours. But because it’s YOUR emotional truth, it’s real. And because it’s MY emotional truth, it’s real.In other words, we aren’t even speaking the same language anymore. This entire fandom stopped speaking the same language some time ago. Yes, this is some little silly show but this is how people digest media. And we go in circles–not just over this, but over EVERYTHING–because we’re arguing emotional truth instead of anything that might be factual–and my emotional truth and your emotional truth might be far from the factual truth, but it doesn’t matter. Our emotional truths are real and true to us.
And this, essentially, is why debating in fandom is so…tiring. We’re never going to get anywhere. We “agree to disagree” and pat ourselves on the back and continue to believe our own emotional truths.
So what does this have to do with Neal, Emma, and OUAT? I will continue to believe that this 405 moment was in an effort to silence criticism and inconsistent with Emma’s characterization recently. You will continue to believe that it’s in character for Emma and that outwardly mourning Neal would be out of character (or the other argument, bad TV). I will continue to believe that Henry should be feeling something and expressing it. You can believe your emotional truth. I can continue for my emotional truth to be that the writers are piling on the emotional drama and never letting anyone deal and it’s making their story look inhuman and too concerned with Shiny Toys (copywrite RG). Other people’s emotional truth can be that the show is doing great and that this is the best season so far. That’s their emotional truth.
But again. We aren’t speaking the same language anymore. And that’s why the negativity and the praise are all equally worthy to be heard, but we’ll never “get” the other perspective (whatever it may be).
Oh, I beg to differ, but you can. And, speaking for myself, I have. You certainly can be free from it and let it go.
And this goes exactly with what I wrote above. Emotional truth. Yours is that you can let it go because you have. Mine is that I will never be free. Yours is your truth, mine is mine. Neither is right. But we’re not even speaking the same language anymore.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 28, 2014 at 10:59 pm #287994JosephineParticipantYou can believe your emotional truth. I can continue for my emotional truth to be that the writers are piling on the emotional drama and never letting anyone deal and it’s making their story look inhuman and too concerned with Shiny Toys (copywrite RG).
This has been a valid criticism since the beginning of Season two. We’ve yet to see real heart-to-heart with Snow/Emma like in Season One. They talk to each other, they’re friendly, but they never discuss feelings, issues, etc. EVER. Nobody ever talks about feelings. I don’t care who you ship, if you don’t ship, or what. We need less action and more talking. I go back to Grimm because one reason I love that show is that they talk. They sit and actually discuss problems and emotions. They have action, but they talk. Heck, even Sleepy Hollow they have discussions. And it’s getting frustrating to watch all the action and nothing else.
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