406: Sneak Peeks (1 and 2)

The pixie dust only said that Regina and Robin were soulmates. That doesn’t mean that they’ll have a happy-ever-after together. (Heck, A&E, higher authorities than pixie dust or Tink, said that CORA and Rumple were Soulmates. So (aside from ew ew ew) what does THAT mean for OQ?)

Ok….Adam and Eddy never said Rumple and Cora were soul mates….they said they were akin to soul mates. In other words, that although they weren’t, they could be very well thought of in that manner. It’s a matter of opinion, not a fact!

And to be honest…Cora and Rumple were sorta stirring the flames at that spinning wheel scene. It’s not like they couldn’t work because Cora was going to leave with him, but in the end (listening to crazy King Xavier, and being burned by love before) she chose power over love. Rumple and Cora were in love, and before anyone brings up the whole “she couldn’t break the Dark Curse” that’s because Cora was perfectly fine with how Rumple was, flawed and all. He didn’t have to change himself for her to love him…Cora was Laceyx100!

So although I’m a mild mild Rumbelle….I can’t help but admit a part of me was rooting for DarkHeart. Plus they look more around the same age….but Cora’s dead now. (Sigh) So OutlawQueen is good…it’s Belle everyone should be worried about…I mean Rumple’s past loves have met their demise either by his hand, or by his influence on someone else….but I’d much prefer to see Dark Belle come into play. Show Rumple how some of his Nasty Habits are rubbing off on him…how did @TheWatcher say….Belle, the Villainous Librarian! 🙂

Bravo, RG. Thank you.

WickedRegal wrote:

Ok….Adam and Eddy never said Rumple and Cora were soul mates….they said they were akin to soul mates. In other words, that although they weren’t, they could be very well thought of in that manner. It’s a matter of opinion, not a fact!

Not true.

We saw him as pre-Dark One with Milah but they had very few moments of happiness but Cora is his soulmate in a lot of ways

Jane Espenson also called them soul mates in an interview. They also called them kindred spirits.

WickedRegal wrote:

So OutlawQueen is good

ERm….are they? Cause I’m pretty sure Marian isn’t dead or removed from the picture yet. More like she has just temporarily put on ice (see what I did there?)

WickedRegal wrote:

t’s Belle everyone should be worried about…I mean Rumple’s past loves have met their demise either by his hand, or by his influence on someone else…

As opposed to Regina’s loves who have gone on to live happy and fulfilling lives….

1. Keywords “In A Lot Of Ways”….it wasn’t clearly stated they were soul mates, and their love isn’t even mentioned as soul mates in OUAT.

2. Jane calling them soul mates was just her giving them a name…it’s not canon in the show like OQ is. Not once did anyone on Once call DarkHeart soulmates….like Adam and Eddy later came back and called them “kindred spirits” instead because it’s more fitting.

3. (Rolls eyes) Well if Regina did stop trying to save Marian, no doubt everyone would be on the “She’s just trying to kill her” wagon again. Not like many jumped off in the first place. Death or Fate or whatever is trying very hard to take this woman out, but Marian just keeps getting saved…more times by Regina.

4. Daniel: Blame Cora and Snow White for that.

Second Time: Blame Rumpelstilskin, Whale, and Jefferson for the Second Time because they knew of a way to bring Daniel back, a la the heart, but instead chose to deceive Regina into thinking there was no hope, thus manipulating her into becoming the monster Rumple wanted so badly.

Graham: He wasn’t really a love interest to begin with, he was an employee who publically humiliated Regina in front of Emma, and couldn’t stop his curious thoughts. You know what they say…”Curiosity Kills The Cat”. In the future words of Ingrid “Ice Queen”: Some secrets are better left buried.

Leopold: Knowingly married the daughter of his ex fiancée who was three times younger than him, kept her trapped behind castle walls, treated her as a trophy wife, forbid her from exiting outside the kingdom, and ignored her. Can’t say I have much sympathy for this man…

Robin Hood: He’s alive and well. Only issue is Marian, and it won’t be long till she’s gone.

And if the rumors and theories circulating about Regina actually meeting Robin in that Tavern, and a certain dark imp erasing their memories…then OutlawQueen has apparently already won this debating war.

2. Jane calling them soul mates was just her giving them a name…it’s not canon in the show like OQ is. Not once did anyone on Once call DarkHeart soulmates….like Adam and Eddy later came back and called them “kindred spirits” instead because it’s more fitting.

One character labelling something as such does not necessarily make it so. Belle said that SwanFire were true love because of the necklace however the show isn’t acting like that’s true, A&E even said that is just Belle’s opinion. Tinkerbell said OQ were soulmates, that could just be Tinkerbell’s opinion when Tink was full of hope and optimism.

 

See here’s the kicker…SwanFire were more than likely true loves. But as A&E said…that’s just Belle’s opinion! Tinkerbelle on the other hand had pixie dust, specifically designed to find Regina’s soul mate! Adam and Eddy even call Robin Hood, Regina’s soul mate….so OutlawQueen Soul mates is all around, irrevocable cannon!

You say Marian is “fated” to die yet perhaps Marian was “fated” to be saved since travelling back in time isn’t supposed to be possible yet when it happened Marian was saved. Perhaps “fate” is paying Regina back for all her misdeeds by making Regina save the woman who’s place she is trying to take.

I think Regina needs to move on from Robin and find herself someone who is not only her equal, but also someone whose wife she hadn’t murdered or intended to murder.

Jafar might be a good match for Regina. Both have magic, both have a fiery temper, both can handle each other and both have parent issues.

If it was Marian’s fate to live….Death and Fate wouldn’t be trying so hard to take her out! I told everyone that Emma saving Marian would come at a price later, and here we are…the woman is fighting for her life for the hundredth time. It was her destiny to die that night. And Fate is not paying Regina back because it’s trying so hard to fix the mistake EMMA Swan created! But Regina keeps saving Marian….but I’ve a feeling there’s something coming for Marian that Regina won’t be able to fix. Death wants Marian…Fate’s gonna get her!

Well dear if this was the case…the Good Librarian Belle is not equal for Rumpelstilskin, The Dark One. And I dare not go into that whole death scenario because as I stated in a last thread, although what Regina did was wrong…she did give Marian a choice! Either you can tattle on Snow White, possibly be rewarded and go back to your husband and baby, or you die! In real life, any right minded wife/mother wouldn’t think twice on that decision, and would have done whatever Regina wanted to get back to her family! Marian did not! She chose to save Snow White! Even Emma, when she was captured by the Evil Queen, immediately said that she’d help Regina find Snow White, but we all know more than likely Emma would have helped Snow’s escape. Robin Hood was supposed to be Regina’s then, he’s supposed to be hers now!

Saying Jafar and Regina as a good match….then we can say Cora and Rumple were good matches. Both humiliated, poor background, apparent daddy issues, craving power, fiery temper, a bit of evilness and wickedness….heck, Cora and Rumple were a match made in Heaven, or rather Hades in this instance.

Whilst Rumple and co were responsible for giving Regina false hope then taking it away, all of Regina’s actions thereafter were Regina’s choice. Regina chose to be evil.

But we have to look at who pushed her in that direction…the Malevolent Imp and the (Worst) “Mother” of the Year! They’re held somewhat responsible for Regina’s actions because they practically forced her down this road of darkness in the first place. So some judgment goes to them, and a lesser percentage to Snow for telling the secret in the first place. However, Regina’s actions in Storybrooke are all on her! Storybrooke could have really been her chance to start over, but a hole in a heart of darkness made her into a somewhat bitter woman for 18 years thus scaring off anyone who’d even want to be friends with her.

However, raising Henry changed her for the better…yes she was still mean to everyone outside of her family, but I’m quite sure she wasn’t as mean as she once was. And I do think that had she been nicer to Emma in the Pilot, Emma would have just left thus giving Regina a few more years with the curse. But she was a woman whose worst fear was coming true…your son prefers his real mother over you, and hates you. Not to mention Swan stood a chance at breaking her curse. So of course Regina acted on the offense, a bit extreme on her end…when she acts out of fear and desperation, she doesn’t think things all the way through. All that stress…it’s a wonder Regina was still mentally stable.

Perhaps Marian is the only thing keeping Robin alive since when Regina is in a relationship with someone they die. Then there is that spoiler…… Is Roland about to lose a father?

Must I bring Emma into this…the woman whose men always seem to die in her arms, or falling off cliffs???? Yeah, Emma hasn’t got the best Date Survival Track Record in Storybrooke…so Hook stands just as much of a chance at kicking the bucket as Robin does. As does Belle with Rumple who not only killed Milah himself, but influenced Snow White to kill Cora.

I think that particular is only a vision that Regina sees in the mirror if the mirror acts like the mirror of Erised.

See here’s the kicker…SwanFire were more than likely true loves. But as A&E said…that’s just Belle’s opinion! Tinkerbelle on the other hand had pixie dust, specifically designed to find Regina’s soul mate! Adam and Eddy even call Robin Hood, Regina’s soul mate….so OutlawQueen Soul mates is all around, irrevocable cannon!

So why is Belle calling SF true love only “Belle’s opinion” yet Tinkerbell calling OQ soulmates is “irrevocable cannon”? Is someone who was your best friend in your childhood who you might not even see in adulthood any less of your best friend at the time because it didn’t last forever? The whole OQ are soul mates is based around the fact that over 30 years ago some magic dust picked Robin out as Regina’s best match. Since then Regina has changed and Robin has changed. They are not the people that they were. Had Daniel lived, would Regina have dumped him for a guy she never even spoke to just because Daniel wasn’t her soul mate? I’m pretty sure Regina considered Daniel to be her soul mate which is why she took his death so hard. She didn’t turn around and say “well I loved Danny Boy and all but he wasn’t my soul mate so heigh ho”.

I presume most people consider their romantic partners to be their soul mates (hence the term “your other half”), if something terrible were to befall your romantic partner and then you met someone who liked all the things you did and you had lots of things in common, does that mean that this new person was your soul mate all along? Were you just wasting your time with your previous partner, even though you loved them, because they weren’t your soul mate?

Pixie dust is just the EF version of Match.com, it finds the person most suitable to you.

If it was Marian’s fate to live….Death and Fate wouldn’t be trying so hard to take her out! I told everyone that Emma saving Marian would come at a price later, and here we are…the woman is fighting for her life for the hundredth time. It was her destiny to die that night. And Fate is not paying Regina back because it’s trying so hard to fix the mistake EMMA Swan created! But Regina keeps saving Marian….but I’ve a feeling there’s something coming for Marian that Regina won’t be able to fix. Death wants Marian…Fate’s gonna get her!

Or perhaps fate is actually working to keep Regina and Robin apart. Fear stopped Regina going into the tavern to meet Robin. Robin and Regina didn’t meet for the next 30 years. When Robin and Regina do get together, Marian returns which forces them apart. Regina feels the need to save Marian which is keeping OQ apart. If Marian dies, Robin would be grieving, which would also keep OQ apart because Regina making a move on a grieving widower would be entirely inappropriate.

Well dear if this was the case…the Good Librarian Belle is not equal for Rumpelstilskin, The Dark One. And I dare not go into that whole death scenario because as I stated in a last thread, although what Regina did was wrong…she did give Marian a choice! Either you can tattle on Snow White, possibly be rewarded and go back to your husband and baby, or you die! In real life, any right minded wife/mother wouldn’t think twice on that decision, and would have done whatever Regina wanted to get back to her family! Marian did not! She chose to save Snow White! Even Emma, when she was captured by the Evil Queen, immediately said that she’d help Regina find Snow White, but we all know more than likely Emma would have helped Snow’s escape. Robin Hood was supposed to be Regina’s then, he’s supposed to be hers now!

Well darling, Belle might not have magic but she has knowledge and knowledge is power! She also has the ability to see good in others and if it’s not there she creates it. She makes Rumple want to go back to the best version of him, Something which had never happened before. Regina might not be able to match Rumple in the magic stakes but she matches him in other ways.

You keep bringing up choice. Marian had a choice, Hansel and Gretel had a choice, the entire slaughtered village had a choice, etc, etc. What you seem be forgetting/overlooking is that REGINA HAD A CHOICE. Regina chose to kill Marian, she chose to send Hansel and Gretel into the blind witch house along with other children, she chose to slaughter a village, she chose to learn magic from Rumple, she chose to be the evil queen, she chose to kill Leopold and try and blame Snow for it. Regina is not an innocent little victim and I don’t get why EvilRegals try to make her out to be so. Taking away Regina’s culpability also takes away her potential and chance for redemption. After all why would she need to be redeemed if she’s done nothing wrong? Admitting that Regina has done wrong in the past does not mean you are any less of a fan. Regina may have had her reasons for doing such things but that doesn’t make her actions any less wrong (the same goes for Rumple and Hook). Regina needs to own up to her mistakes, really own up to them, not be all “The book made me a villain” No Regina YOUR ACTIONS made you a villain.

Saying Jafar and Regina as a good match….then we can say Cora and Rumple were good matches. Both humiliated, poor background, apparent daddy issues, craving power, fiery temper, a bit of evilness and wickedness….heck, Cora and Rumple were a match made in Heaven, or rather Hades in this instance.

Well if Belle wasn’t shown to be Rumple’s true love and the entire episode known as Skin Deep didn’t exist, then I would probably say that Cora and Rumple were good matches. The spinning wheel scene was full of chemistry between the two.

I don’t see the romantic chemistry between Regina and Robin, there is no UST. It feels like a forced pairing instead of a naturally developing one.

But we have to look at who pushed her in that direction…the Malevolent Imp and the (Worst) “Mother” of the Year! They’re held somewhat responsible for Regina’s actions because they practically forced her down this road of darkness in the first place. So some judgment goes to them, and a lesser percentage to Snow for telling the secret in the first place. However, Regina’s actions in Storybrooke are all on her! Storybrooke could have really been her chance to start over, but a hole in a heart of darkness made her into a somewhat bitter woman for 18 years thus scaring off anyone who’d even want to be friends with her.

Again you’re blaming everyone else for Regina’s actions. Unless Rumple and Cora physically ripped out Regina’s heart and controlled her by it, then Regina still had choice in her actions, all her actions in EF are on her. Kathryn considered Regina her friend, Regina made the choice to use Kathryn to try and force David and MM apart. Henry Sr said to Regina that they could go somewhere else and start over but REGINA CHOSE to rip out his heart and cast the curse despite knowing that it would give her a hole in her heart.

However, raising Henry changed her for the better…yes she was still mean to everyone outside of her family, but I’m quite sure she wasn’t as mean as she once was. And I do think that had she been nicer to Emma in the Pilot, Emma would have just left thus giving Regina a few more years with the curse. But she was a woman whose worst fear was coming true…your son prefers his real mother over you, and hates you. Not to mention Swan stood a chance at breaking her curse. So of course Regina acted on the offense, a bit extreme on her end…when she acts out of fear and desperation, she doesn’t think things all the way through. All that stress…it’s a wonder Regina was still mentally stable.

“She wasn’t quite as mean as she once was” Oh you mean she didn’t go around murdering anyone or splitting families apart? Well she couldn’t do that because she didn’t have magic and murder is so much more tricky in our world…. no wait a minute, she totally did do that with Kurt and Owen. She wanted Owen for herself, couldn’t have him so she got rid of/murdered his father out of spite. It’s almost exactly the same as she did with Hansel and Gretel in the EF only this time she murdered the father instead of just kidnapping him so she kind of got worse but that was pre-Henry.

Post-Henry, Regina had her friend kidnapped (though Regina would’ve preferred it to have been murdered) so that she could pin it all on a cursed Snow. Kind of like she tried to do in EF. I’m sensing a theme here.

Must I bring Emma into this…the woman whose men always seem to die in her arms, or falling off cliffs???? Yeah, Emma hasn’t got the best Date Survival Track Record in Storybrooke…so Hook stands just as much of a chance at kicking the bucket as Robin does. As does Belle with Rumple who not only killed Milah himself, but influenced Snow White to kill Cora.

True, Emma and Rumple don’t have a great track record of their love interests surviving, but one thing that Hook and Belle have going for them is that they are regulars. They were made regulars as soon as possible. Robin isn’t a regular, Robin wasn’t made a regular even though he was meant to be in a relationship with Regina. In fact they brought in Will Scarlett and made him a regular instead of Robin. So I think Hook and Belle have a better chance of survival than Robin.

Yeah, we shall see. Regina can’t hook up with Robin at the tavern for real without it completely retconning the entire series so far. The writers may love Regina but not that much to throw the whole show down the drain for her. Regina might get to see what her life would be like if she had met Robin that day but he would’ve ended up dead eventually because Regina would’ve had to cast the curse.