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The idea of Emma having trouble controlling her magic isn’t a sudden character arc just for Frozen. It was brought up in 3B, where Emma outright says she’s had trouble trying to control it. While yes we’re only now seeing a situation where Emma’s magic has become harmful, the idea of Emma struggling with magic isn’t new. As PoM mentioned, “magic is emotion.” As for why Emma’s having these insecurities get to her now, it’s because Ingrid kept egging her on about them to the point where it overwhelmed her. It’s like Belle with the mirror from last week’s episode. Ingrid is using their insecurities to get the best of them. Chances are Emma has had some of these insecurities for some time, but she kept brushing them aside for sanity’s sake. This is a situation where those insecurities were forced upon her in full blast.
[adrotate group="5"]Chances are Emma has had some of these insecurities for some time, but she kept brushing them aside for sanity’s sake. This is a situation where those insecurities were forced upon her in full blast.
Would have been nice to see some of these insecurities manifest privately, though. She was actively going to babysit Baby Snowflake. If she had been more reticent about the baby, any tiny little thing, that would have gone a long way.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Let’s just agree that we’ve all had our say about OQ–positive or negative–and try to analyze ANOTHER aspect of the show.
Their ice magic is a force of nature that can kill whereas True Love magic is supposed to be the purest magic of all. It’s not supposed to boil a baby’s bottle of milk to harm potential baby.
Was it confirmed TL Magic is the purest magic? Because I can easily see Emma using a bit of dark magic, hence boiling of milk. And Zelena was such a prodigy of magic, using her as an example as Cora and Johnathan could have possibly been true loves had their lives not been so screwed up, would explain Zelena’s exceeding gift in magic…can True Love Magic be tainted with darkness and still have the same level of power? What consists of Dark Magic, and what consists of Light Magic? Fireballs are considered dark I guess, and streams of light are considered Light?
(Face Palm) This is why I liked Harry Potter…there was no Good or Dark Magic, it was just magic, and it all depended on how you used it.
I think that’s the question now….what was everyone’s original source of power supposed to stem from?
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I think the Emma’s magic is becoming uncontrollable is a bit convenient, but here are some consistencies:
1. It’s never been predictable. Those times when she had guidance from Rumple or Regina, she was able to do more than she could do on her own. It HAS popped up when she was in seriously emotional situations (the first she’s been aware of being when she blocked Cora from taking her mother’s heart). She’s struggled to control it–in Dark Hollow, she had to work hard just to light a candle. That bit feels very consistent with what they’re doing–as we saw with Regina, Emma’s magic is coming more easily to her now because she’s had some training, as well as because her emotions are all over the place.
2. Snow (along with Charming) has alternated between being concerned and supportive when it comes to Emma’s learning magic. Part of that worry is based in not wanting her to turn into Regina or Cora, no doubt (Snow’s encounters with magical women have not been the most pleasant…). They expressed those doubts aloud in Dark Hollow, though otherwise, yes, there hasn’t been much negative said about Emma’s magic.
3. You can completely love someone and still have an instinctive fear of them if something goes wrong. For example…our cat, whom I adored (and I love cats) once scratched me over the eye accidentally. My eye wasn’t injured, but it was close…and I had this visceral reaction to not only her but to my aunt’s cat later that week that took me some time to get over. I knew in my head that petting the cat wasn’t going to hurt me, but my body instinctively drew away from it, remembering how close I’d been to a serious injury. I think that’s what’s going on with Snow and her little princeling. Magic took Emma away from her, and already ripped the new baby out of her arms once. It’s completely understandable, even if unfair to Emma, that she’s expressing some instinctive fears of losing him–to anyone with magic, including Emma. I don’t think it conflicts at all with her love for her daughter.
4. Emma’s reaction: She obviously loves her brother and her parents but in almost any family relationship there are going to be sore sticking spots. That cat? In name, it was my little sister’s. Guess which sister was never given a pet cat despite asking for one her entire life. It comes up every now and then (now as more of a haha they love you more joke than anything else) even 13 years later. The baby is going to get different things from the Charmings because the situation is different, and Emma understands that. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt, or that she has to feel that pain at particular times (though obviously DQ is a genius at playing her emotions like a harp). I’m buying it because it rings true to my experience of being a significantly older sister (okay, by 7 years and not 28, but still).
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The idea of Emma having trouble controlling her magic isn’t a sudden character arc just for Frozen. It was brought up in 3B, where Emma outright says she’s had trouble trying to control it. While yes we’re only now seeing a situation where Emma’s magic has become harmful, the idea of Emma struggling with magic isn’t new. A
True, Emma hasn’t always been able to command her magic whenever or however she jolly well pleases. But her magic has never been out of control and it’s never been a hazard before now. So it does feel like it’s been introduced just because of the Frozen plot. If Emma had been shown in S3 to have trouble controlling it around her baby brother, or had ever used her magic to harm someone, then I might be more convinced. But her magic going hay wire in a dangerous sort of way was never, never previously established and never was hinted at until this episode when Ingrid’s magic being out of control was introduced. Emma losing control is a direct parallel to Elsa in Frozen.
Was it confirmed TL Magic is the purest magic? Because I can easily see Emma using a bit of dark magic, hence boiling of milk. And Zelena was such a prodigy of magic, using her as an example as Cora and Johnathan could have possibly been true loves had their lives not been so screwed up, would explain Zelena’s exceeding gift in magic…can True Love Magic be tainted with darkness and still have the same level of power? What consists of Dark Magic, and what consists of Light Magic? Fireballs are considered dark I guess, and streams of light are considered Light?
Well, I don’t know if it’s ever been overtly stated whether TL magic is the purest, but true love wouldn’t be true if it weren’t pure love, don’t you think? Emma’s parents love is said to be the truest of all love so I guess that is what I’m basing that claim off of. But I’m not sure that True Love could be tainted and still be powerful. I have a feeling that the answer is no. As soon as magic stops being fueled by feelings of true love or protection it stops being light magic and turns to dark magic, which is fueled by hate or negativity. But I always thought Emma’s magic was uniquely special since she was born of true love rather than it being something she just learned. It’s just in her, apart of her nature.
(Face Palm) This is why I liked Harry Potter…there was no Good or Dark Magic, it was just magic, and it all depended on how you used it.
Yeah I get what you mean.
I think that’s the question now….what was everyone’s original source of power supposed to stem from?
Wasn’t Blue Fairy said to be the original power? Hmm.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Regarding Snow, I can give her a pass for not wanting to hand the baby to the person whose hands were moments ago making a liquid boil, but I still don’t like the manner in which she expressed concern. Pulling the baby away like that was rather a harsh action. They could have conveyed the same thought by having Snow question with genuine concern if Emma’s hands were OK. Concern for Emma, concern for Snowflake, a mother showing concern for both her kids with an undertone of sadness that this is even an issue. Instead it came across like, “DON’T YOU TOUCH MY BABY WITH YOUR DEMON HANDS.”
And the way she scolded Emma after the lamp post incident was WAY harsh and accusatory, like she was an insolent 4 year old who had deliberately done something really bad and was about to be sent to their room. Like, Snow honey, you do realise that your daughter is legit upset right now and you’re not helping?
If it turns out they’re having Snow behave this way because of the whole half-a-heart thing, then it will make more sense, but as of right now, it just seems wrong.
About the Will retcon, it’s not even just the fact that he’d apparently been around long enough to hear the story 3 dozen times, he also recalled a conversation he’d had with Marian. “It wasn’t easy for her y’know, livin’ like an outlaw. I asked her once how she gave up everythin’ to be with you, do y’know what she told me?” That implies that Will was with them all, including Marian, for enough time to get to know their way of life, get to know who they were, and felt comfortable enough to engage in personal conversations. What we saw in WL is he was with just the men (no Marian) at camp for a few days so he could use them to break into Maleficent’s place.
If the writers expect me to be able to invest in their story, I need to be able to believe that they know what story they’re telling and are committed to being consistent with it, and a lot of the time lately I just don’t get that feeling.
Regarding Snow, I can give her a pass for not wanting to hand the baby to the person whose hands were moments ago making a liquid boil, but I still don’t like the manner in which she expressed concern. Pulling the baby away like that was rather a harsh action. They could have conveyed the same thought by having Snow question with genuine concern if Emma’s hands were OK. Concern for Emma, concern for Snowflake, a mother showing concern for both her kids with an undertone of sadness that this is even an issue. Instead it came across like, “DON’T YOU TOUCH MY BABY WITH YOUR DEMON HANDS.”
And the way she scolded Emma after the lamp post incident was WAY harsh and accusatory, like she was an insolent 4 year old who had deliberately done something really bad and was about to be sent to their room. Like, Snow honey, you do realise that your daughter is legit upset right now and you’re not helping?
If it turns out they’re having Snow behave this way because of the whole half-a-heart thing, then it will make more sense, but as of right now, it just seems wrong.[/quote]
I agree. Snow could’ve have handled the situations so much better yet she always chooses the method that makes Emma
feel like crap. I don’t think it’s the half a heart thing either since Charming doesn’t do this sort of thing and Snow has form for this even with her whole heart.For example, in the echo caves Snow said she wanted another baby. That’s reasonable in itself, however, the reasons she gave for wanting another baby were less to do with what Snow wanted and more to do with how EMMA wasn’t cute and cuddly anymore so Snow couldn’t have the relationship with her that she wanted so the new baby is the Emma replacement.
I don’t see why Snow was so accusatory towards Emma when the lamp post fell on Charming. The only reason it hit Charming at all was because he pushed Hook out of the way. Emma would never deliberately hurt any of the people she loves and she was clearly freaked out by what was happening so Snow needed to be a lot less “how could you?” and more “it’s okay Emma just calm down”
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I agree, which is why it feels inconsistent and OCC for Snow not to express any concern for her daughter. She just went to accusatory and fear.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I agree. Snow could’ve have handled the situations so much better yet she always chooses the method that makes Emma feel like crap. I don’t think it’s the half a heart thing either since Charming doesn’t do this sort of thing and Snow has form for this even with her whole heart.
I found this on Tumblr. It’s pretty funny because it’s so accurate.
Fixed it.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I think Jen said somewhere that the Emma loses control of her powers has less to do with her insecurities with her mom and more about, this is what she missed out with Henry.
I don’t think Emma feels that she’s being replaced by baby Neal. I don’t know, I think that feeling of replacement makes more sense for children who are slightly older than the younger baby.
My mom’s goddaughter is only a year younger than her older sister. The older sister might not be able to vocalize it but I feel fairly sure that she resents not being the baby anymore. there’s things should be able to do on her own at this age and she still needs mummy’s attention.
I don’t get that vibe with Emma.
That’s not to say Emma can’t feel some resentment towards Snow but I think Emma’s worked past those issues. She even told DQ that she understands now why her parents gave her up.
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