411: Press Release

If there’s one thing I want to see this episode, it’s Belle finding out about the dagger. It’s been almost an entire arc since they’ve set this up, and I am getting constantly annoyed that it keeps getting dropped (did anyone else expect Belle to overhear the conversation between Rumple and Hook?).

If things don’t come to a head with that, I’ll be pretty upset.

I assumed Belle wasn’t just sleeping in that scene. My assumption was that Rumple magically knocked her out for the duration of the curse to protect her. (Actually, to get her out of his way so he could pack and avoid her questions).

Belle’s most adamant statement ever was “no one decides my fate but me!” Rumple is taking that away from her.

I also think that the tape Rumple has of Hook assisting in the absorption of the Apprentice into the hat will re-emerge. Hook will spill the beans that Rumple bewitched the tape, and then maybe Emma will use her magic to un-bewitch it and see Rumple back on the tape. Then perhaps someone will put two and two together, and realize that maybe Rumple did kill Zelena and that he used the same tape manipulating spell on the Sheriff’s station security footage.

I think Rumple was bluffing about the tape to Hook. A tape can’t be found if it doesn’t exist!

I’d be quite annoyed if other characters started acting all high and mighty in regards to Zelena’s death. They didn’t care about her, they haven’t missed her so why should they get all worked up about it? She treated Rumple like crap and it came back to bite her. Emma and Snowing planned to murder Pan when he was powerless so why should Rumple actually carrying through on his threat to kill Zelena be treated as if it was the most heinous crime in the world?

The way Rumple reacted to Hook’s question about where’s the missus and if she’d succumbed to the spell yet suggests that SOMETHING happened–if nothing else, that he’s feeling guilty for having used magic to put her to sleep while he packs.

I agree. Though the question is, why didn’t they put the whole town to sleep so they couldn’t act out the shattered sight spell and just leave those immune awake?

The relationship between Hook and Rumple is fascinating and well choreographed, even if Rumple’s current motivation is confusing.

Rumple and Hook are a bit like Pinky and the Brain at the moment. I wish someone could do a video of them with that theme song.

There’s a difference between killing someone in self defense, while they threaten to kill everyone, and killing someone when they are already defeated and vulnerable. Zelena was powerless and no longer a threat, so she did not need to die. Rumple didn’t kill her for the defense of the town either. He killed her in the name of vengeance.

And what would Regina have done if Zelena had orchestrated Henry’s death instead of Neal’s? Would Regina have been content to just lock her up and hope she decides to come over to the hero side? Nah. Regina, Emma, even Snowing would probably gut Zelena. It was always hypocritical to me that Regina stopped Rump from killing her. If she had been in his postition she would have done without a second thought.

MatthewPaul wrote:

I doubt the tape won’t come back up again, since it’s a vital piece of Rumple’s backmail against Hook.

I don’t think so. We’ve had other things that have appeared to be important at the time but have never been shown or explained again. For example: Snow’s dark fairy dust, the whistle Graham gave to Snow, Red’s cloak, Pan’s parchment of Henry’s face, etc. The tape was used to get Hook in line but now it’s served its purpose (and Hook has gone beyond what the tape showed) so now it’s not important.

Also, Belle would be annoyed in regards to Zelena’s death, because she made Rumple promise not to kill her.

Belle would be annoyed in regards to the lying and deceit but not the fact that Zelena is actually dead. When ever Belle has asked Rumple not to harm someone, it’s more for Rumple’s sake rather than the other person. Belle would be disappointed that Rumple gave into his hate. She won’t be shedding any tears for Zelena.

Regina would also not be happy, because she honestly wanted to give her sister a second chance, and Rumple took that away from her.

Regina shouldn’t have had the right to decide whether or not to let Zelena go free. She wasn’t the one that suffered the most at Zelena’s hands. Zelena treated someone like crap and that bad deed caught up with her in the end. It’s no different to Hook seeking vengeance on Rumple in season 2. Likewise, Regina killed Graham out of revenge for him leaving her and nobody has called her out about that or given her a hard time about it so why should Rumple get such harsh treatment when Regina got away scot free?

There’s a difference between killing someone in self defense, while they threaten to kill everyone, and killing someone when they are already defeated and vulnerable. Zelena was powerless and no longer a threat, so she did not need to die. Rumple didn’t kill her for the defense of the town either. He killed her in the name of vengeance.

Again Regina killed Graham because he left her and nobody called her out on it. Zelena wasn’t an innocent little victim. She knew Rumple wanted to kill her, she taunted him with it when she had him under her control and she continued to taunt him after her defeat when she thought he couldn’t do anything to her. She only changed her tune when Rumple revealed that he wasn’t bound by a command not to hurt her.

I. The Zelena Situation

Yeah…Ummmm….Zelena wasn’t after Rumple…she was more so after Regina! Therefore, Regina had the right to decide what to do with Zelena….although Rumple was an outside victim, Regina was her main focus.

And to be honest…just as you think Zelena killing Neal came back to bite her, yeah, Rumple TRAINING Zelena came back to haunt him. He knowingly toyed with her, and was going to manipulate her just as he did Regina to cast a curse. Rumple DID NOT have the right to kill a defenseless woman because like @MP said she was defenseless and already beaten. Her sentence was a Second Chance, I mean, Sweet Oz, it’s not like Regina just let Zelena out of jail and roam around town as if everything was alright. Regina had her behind bars, which should have been a good enough punishment.

As Regina told Rumple, who haven’t they killed to get what they want. It’s sad but it’s true, Neal was a casualty, that if truth be told wasn’t directly by Zelena’s hand as Neal knew there would be a heavy price to pay, and he said to heck with it, which was very OOC on his part because he of all people knew that magic came with a price. So we can’t give Neal’s total death to Zelena! Rumple has killed families, and did a heck of a lot of devilish things for about three centuries just to pollute an innocent woman’s life into casting his curse….as far as we’ve seen, Zelena’s only killed one person and she shouldn’t even take all the credit for it! Rumple denied a woman her second chance, and frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if it was more than just Neal, we know Rumple holds grudges and killing the child whose mother tricked you out of, as well as previously denied you the silver slippers, I’d say worked into that as well, but that’s just my headcannon.

Rumple should have followed his own advice, and not be hypocritical, because as he told Regina, you can’t have everything. And I pray to God that this blow up in his face like never before! It’s one thing to kill a threat, it’s another to just kill a defenseless woman who cried and pleaded for her life. AND before anyone brings up Maid Marian, might I add that she had a chance that she did not take…like heck, she should could have just lied to Regina about Snow’s whereabouts instead of not saying anything at all.

It was Regina, that Zelena was coming after, therefore it was Regina who made the call what to do with her afterwards. I mean, Regina even gave the dagger to Belle, probably because she knew Rumple wouldn’t agree with her decision, and just hoped it would’ve been enough to console him. But Rumple not allowing Zelena to experience a second chance, probably cost him his own in the process…everything comes with a price.

II. Graham

Unlike Zelena, Graham really posed a threat to the curse. Does it make it right, heck no, but is it something Regina had to do to preserve her son and her curse, then yeah! Every war has it’s casualties, and frankly Regina got away with murder, yep! Are we shown her remorse for it, no, but based on how far she’s come, I think it’s safe to say that she wishes there could have been another way to handle that situation. And less we forget that Graham did break into her crypt, and then humiliated her in front of her worst enemy…like you couldn’t have just told her that in private? Why you had to tell it all in front of Emma? But that’s besides the point….Regina didn’t kill Graham because he didn’t choose her, she’s not that petty, she killed him because he was posing a threat to her curse. Again…Not Right, but something that had to be done.

III. Henry

Unlike Rumplestilskin….Regina would have understood that Henry would NOT have wanted her to backslide! That would not have been his wishes, just as it surely would not have been Neal’s! So Regina would have probably never forgave Zelena, and have nothing to do with her, but she would not have killed her because that’s not what her son would have wanted. And lately, Rumple has shown that he doesn’t give a crap about what his son would have wanted. So we can’t compare two different parents because both would have made very different decisions.

#RantOver