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How many Fictional!Englands are there? One for each time period? That seems a bit excessive.
ONE FICTIONAL ENGLAND… just different time periods .. . .
That’s what I was going to say, just like FTL different time periods.
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How many Fictional!Englands are there? One for each time period? That seems a bit excessive.
ONE FICTIONAL ENGLAND… just different time periods .. . .
That’s what I was going to say, just like FTL different time periods.
It’s not. The Victorian Era ended in 1901. This is the 1920s. Alice’s epilogue in WL showed that it was still Victorian England 5 years (min) after her wedding to Cyrus. In order for it to not be in the Vic. age anymore, it would have to be 19 years into the future and time runs concurretnly in all realms, as per A and E
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"How many Fictional!Englands are there? One for each time period? That seems a bit excessive.
ONE FICTIONAL ENGLAND… just different time periods .. . .
That’s what I was going to say, just like FTL different time periods.
It’s not. The Victorian Era ended in 1901. This is the 1920s. Alice’s epilogue in WL showed that it was still Victorian England 5 years (min) after her wedding to Cyrus. In order for it to not be in the Vic. age anymore, it would have to be 19 years into the future and time runs concurretnly in all realms, as per A and E
And it was Victorian England when Will came to get Alice, which was during S2 of OUAT, so it’s still Victorian times there when it’s our modern day. And Cruella’s flashbacks to the 20s happened way in the past.
I’m pretty sure back when the “are Alice and Wendy from the same place” question came up, they confirmed in an interview (or on Twitter) that Alice’s world was a Fictional!England perpetually stuck in the 1800s.
How many Fictional!Englands are there? One for each time period? That seems a bit excessive.
ONE FICTIONAL ENGLAND… just different time periods .. . .
That’s what I was going to say, just like FTL different time periods.
It’s not. The Victorian Era ended in 1901. This is the 1920s. Alice’s epilogue in WL showed that it was still Victorian England 5 years (min) after her wedding to Cyrus. In order for it to not be in the Vic. age anymore, it would have to be 19 years into the future and time runs concurretnly in all realms, as per A and E
And it was Victorian England when Will came to get Alice, which was during S2 of OUAT, so it’s still Victorian times there when it’s our modern day. And Cruella’s flashbacks to the 20s happened way in the past.
I’m pretty sure back when the “are Alice and Wendy from the same place” question came up, they confirmed in an interview (or on Twitter) that Alice’s world was a Fictional!England perpetually stuck in the 1800s.
Wibbly-Wobbly Timey-Wimey. Was Alice fascinated by the lightswitch, or was that just Cyrus?
Wibbly-Wobbly Timey-Wimey. Was Alice fascinated by the lightswitch, or was that just Cyrus?
If they go the wibbly wobbly route, then it’s a *huge* continuity error. Like mega huge.
And it was Cyrus.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Wibbly-Wobbly Timey-Wimey. Was Alice fascinated by the lightswitch, or was that just Cyrus?
I think Alice might have been fascinated with the fridge while Cyrus was flipping the lightswitch?
Patrick Fischler as Isaac
Issac is a Hebrew name meaning laughter, based on the Biblical story of Sarah’s laughter at the thought of conceiving a son in her old age. The meaning of the name would fit what we know about the author’s character so far, which is that he behaves in a puckish manner, almost as if he’s laughing at messing with the characters about which he writes.
Kat claims that Isaac has a surname, but that it’s too spoilerly to reveal:
My other thought is that perhaps the reason Issac’s last name is so spoiler-filled is because he is based on a real-life author. There was a 20th-century science fiction writer named Isaac Asimov (1920-1992). According to Wikipedia, Asimov’s most famous work is the Foundation Series. To date, the series is the only to have received a special Hugo Award for “Best All-Time Series” –winning even over J.R.R. Tolkein’s Lord of the Rings.
I wonder if such a prolific and famous writer of sci-fi could’ve had an influence on aspiring writers like A&E? They’ve been known to name a few of their characters based on real-life figures (e.g. Dr. Whale, August Wayne Booth and Neal Cassidy). So the writers naming the Author after Issac Asimov could be a homage to such a prolific real-life author.
If Issac’s last name is such a spoiler, could it perhaps be a tip-off about the fate of OUAT? Issac Asimov’s best known series, The Foundation Series, is about foretelling possible outcomes of the future, with different alternate realities being possible.
From Wikipedia:
The premise of the series is that the mathematician Hari Seldon spent his life developing a branch of mathematics known as psychohistory, a concept of mathematical sociology. Using the laws of mass action, it can predict the future, but only on a large scale. Seldon foresees the imminent fall of the Galactic Empire, which encompasses the entire Milky Way, and a dark age lasting 30 thousand years before a second great empire arises. Seldon also foresees an alternative where the interregnum will last only one thousand years. To ensure the more favorable outcome, Seldon creates a foundation of talented artisans and engineers at the extreme end of the galaxy, to preserve and expand on humanity’s collective knowledge, and thus become the foundation for a new galactic empire.
So far, we can surmise that the S4 finale of OUAT is all about the Author creating an AU for the characters, in which the villains become heroes and the heroes become villains. If the Author’s name turns out to be Issac Asimov, it could be very fitting indeed.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
LOST had the Valenzetti Equation which was loosely based on Asimov’s Foundation Series. the Valenzetti Equation basically predicted the end of humanity thus the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42 always being transmitted.
When Gypsy (Misty) and I found out The Author’s first name was Isaac, and I read Katrina’s Tan tweet over on Twitter, we immediately thought of Asimov. However, we’ve now thinking it’s more likely going to be Newton, despite Kat’s tweet.
We know that the casting call name used for Isaac/The Author was originally Gorin. Well, Isaac Newton’s wife’s maiden name was Gorin – Susan Elizabeth Gorin. Seems Newton is the likely candidate when you consider that not only was he a mathematician and physicist, he was also an author and he was also into astronomy & alchemy.
A few other things stood out for us. When we think of The Theory of Gravity we also think of the song Defying Gravity from the musical play Wicked. He also developed his theory based on watching an apple fall from a tree. There was a lot of media attention given last year about England trying to preserve ten special trees. Two particular trees were one that inspired Newton’s theory and one in Sherwood Forest that supposedly sheltered Robin Hood.
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LOST had the Valenzetti Equation which was loosely based on Asimov’s Foundation Series. the Valenzetti Equation basically predicted the end of humanity thus the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42 always being transmitted.
That’s really interesting! Having never watched Lost, I’m always interested to know what influence it may have had on A&E. Knowing now that Asimov may really have been an influence on these writers leads me to put more stock in my own theory about the Author’s last name being Asimov.
When Gypsy (Misty) and I found out The Author’s first name was Isaac, and I read Katrina’s Tan tweet over on Twitter, we immediately thought of Asimov. However, we’ve now thinking it’s more likely going to be Newton, despite Kat’s tweet.
Interesting! You and Gypsy were so clever to guess Dr. Whale’s identity based on his name! So knowing your first guesses about the Author’s surname being Asimov leads me to hope my own guess could be right! Your reasons for supposing it could be also Newton have me somewhat second guessing myself, but Kat has been pretty trustworthy in the past about spoilers. So her denial that the author’s last name is Newton makes me inclined to question it.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
LOST had the Valenzetti Equation which was loosely based on Asimov’s Foundation Series. the Valenzetti Equation basically predicted the end of humanity thus the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42 always being transmitted.
That’s really interesting! Having never watched Lost, I’m always interested to know what influence it may have had on A&E. Knowing now that Asimov may really have been an influence on these writers leads me to put more stock in my own theory about the Author’s last name being Asimov.
It’s a great theory Slurpeez and it certainly looks like a real possibility.
When Gypsy (Misty) and I found out The Author’s first name was Isaac, and I read Katrina’s Tan tweet over on Twitter, we immediately thought of Asimov. However, we’ve now thinking it’s more likely going to be Newton, despite Kat’s tweet.
Interesting! You and Gypsy were so clever to guess Dr. Whale’s identity based on his name! So knowing your first guesses about the Author’s surname being Asimov leads me to hope my own guess could be right! But your reasons for supposing it could be Newton also have me second guessing myself.
If it’s one or the other we can happy knowing that we dropped it down to the two of them. Great research btw on Asimov and believing that his Foundations Series would tie into A&E. Isn’t it nice to have some real meat to dig our theorizing teeth into again?
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
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