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Maybe we should keep all this in mind–the writing of Heroes and Villains is Rumple’s subjective lens.
You could very well be right. Is that why Hook is still a one-handed pirate in the AU? Nothing about his outward appearance seems to suggest he’s changed at all. We’ll see what Hook’s characterization is like.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Maybe we should keep all this in mind–the writing of Heroes and Villains is Rumple’s subjective lens.
It all hinges on how much control Rumple has of the story. Is he saying “In this story, I want to be a hero.” And then Isaac fills in the blanks? For example, is it Rumple’s idea to be a knight, or is that Isaac’s interpretation/creative license?
I am reminded of that moment in S1 when Rumple and Regina discuss the curse. I’m taking this out of here:
Rumple: You see, no matter how powerful, all curses can be broken.[…] Of course the curse has to be enacted first.
Regina: Tell me what I did wrong
Rumple: For that, there’s a price
Regina: What do you want?
Rumple: Simple. In this land, I want comfort. I want a good life.
(etc)
I could imagine a similar dialogue between Rumple and the Author, where Rumple essentially “seeds” the ideas, and Isaac takes it from there. The interpretation of being “comfortable” enacted through Regina’s curse is Mr. Gold, complete with pawnshop, fancy suits, and prime real estate. But these were obviously not Rumple’s exact specifications.
I don’t think Isaac’s vanity would let him simply take dictation. I think he fancies himself the creative type. So I suspect that Rumple might set the general parameters — for example making Hook a villain, because for Rumple Hook is a villain — so same rules apply in the AU. And then Isaac takes it from there and fills in the details.
What I suspect will happen in the finale — and actually what will bring about the demise of this AU — is some sort of inherent flaw in the very design of the story, such that while it all appears like a HEA for the villains at first, they remain fundamentally unchanged, and it all comes apart at the seams in the end. Perhaps, a literal Catch-22 scenario (so, a logical fallacy in the very premise) that then references the Isaac Heller/Joseph Heller name.
Anyway, that’s my theory.
What I suspect will happen in the finale — and actually what will bring about the demise of this AU — is some sort of inherent flaw in the very design of the story, such that while it all appears like a HEA for the villains at first, they remain fundamentally unchanged, and it all comes apart at the seams in the end. Perhaps, a literal Catch-22 scenario (so, a logical fallacy in the very premise) that then references the Isaac Heller/Joseph Heller name.
Wow! Great analysis and theory. I concur. The fact that Cruella’s last name in ALWM was Feinberg would also seem to corroborate with what you wrote. Here is my analysis of the significance of that name and what it means for villains getting their happy endings.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I think the only reason Belle isn’t getting the villain treatment is because this is Rumple’s HEA– so no way would he turn her into a villain while he’s a hero. In his HEA, they are married and in love. So, everything changes, except for Belle and that’s because the Author is writing the story for himself.
Maybe we should keep all this in mind–the writing of Heroes and Villains is Rumple’s subjective lens.
I think the same case will be made for Robin Hood. Robin is a part of Regina’s happy ending, so naturally he and Regina would be together in this AU.
Just saw the promo pics, and it appears the wedding in the AU is between Robin and Zelena, so….not so much. However, Zelena is likely a villain turned hero in this AU, so same point probably stands.
I think the only reason Belle isn’t getting the villain treatment is because this is Rumple’s HEA– so no way would he turn her into a villain while he’s a hero. In his HEA, they are married and in love. So, everything changes, except for Belle and that’s because the Author is writing the story for himself.
It just occurred to me that seeing this HEA in the AU could be more evidence that Rumple will die once everything is set right again. If Rumbelle won’t be living HEA as the show continues, showing them happy and together in the AU is the writers throwing the shippers a consolation prize.
They’ve just had Regina realise she shouldn’t use Isaac to change her story, but Rumple is persisting, and it’d be quite the cruel lesson for him to learn if he gets a temporary taste of what could have been, before having to pay the ultimate price for the magic he used to try and get that HEA.
It just occurred to me that seeing this HEA in the AU could be more evidence that Rumple will die once everything is set right again. If Rumbelle won’t be living HEA as the show continues, showing them happy and together in the AU is the writers throwing the shippers a consolation prize. They’ve just had Regina realise she shouldn’t use Isaac to change her story, but Rumple is persisting, and it’d be quite the cruel lesson for him to learn if he gets a temporary taste of what could have been, before having to pay the ultimate price for the magic he used to try and get that HEA.
You could be right. Rumple’s line about being a villain and not getting a happy ending would be all the more true now that he’s crossed the line.
It’s such a shame. I actually wish Rumple could’ve remained dead after he sacrificed himself to save his family. At least that ending was noble and truly heroic. If Rumple were to die a mortal death now, then his death would seem selfish and villainous. He just turned the tables against the heroes to give himself a temporary “happy” ending. And villains don’t get happy endings. I think Henry is going to become the author and restore things, fulfilling the prophesy of being Rumple’s undoing.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Maybe we should keep all this in mind–the writing of Heroes and Villains is Rumple’s subjective lens.
You could very well be right. Is that why Hook is still a one-handed pirate in the AU? Nothing about his outward appearance seems to suggest he’s changed at all. We’ll see what Hook’s characterization is like.
I was contemplating this. Either:
1) Who is a hero and who is a villain is decided by Isaac and the roles are all literally switched, except in cases where it would conflict with a villains happy ending. Ex: Belle is not evil even though she is a hero because she is apart of Rumps HE. So in this case, Hook, who believes he has changed, would probably be a…villain now because he was most recently on the side good? OR he would be a hero now because he originally a villain?
2) Or the roles of Heroes and Villains are decided by Rump and he is deciding who gets a HE and who doesn’t. Hook in this case would probably still be a villain and unhappy because Rump hates his guts. The fact that he isn’t with Emma may suggest that. Problem with this is that he is seen battling Prince Charming (Prince Vile-And-Disgusting?) who is a villain now so maybe Hook is a hero?
3) Hook is so “neutral” that he literally has not switched over to any side.
Basically…I have no ideaz."I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICI’m curious as to how Hook lost his hand if Rumple isn’t the Dark One and they don’t have that history…unless they do have history but in this case Rumple was the knight who saved someone (Belle?) from Hook the pirate and that’s how Hook lost his hand.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Oooo Slurpeez “I think Henry is going to become the author and restore things, fulfilling the prophesy of being Rumple’s undoing” It was thought that the Peter Pan / Neil story arc was the event that fulfilled the prophesy, but this would be so much more powerful. I’m sold.
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