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Pretty sure we’ll never see Nyx again. Her sole purpose was to be a plot device for OUATiW. Especially when “only 5 people” watched the show, as Eddy continues to say. They can’t even devote much screen time to Will, the one current character from said show, and they continue to dance around Anastasia. What makes you think they’ll bring back plot device character ripped off from The Ring? Not to mention, Nyx doesn’t just freely resurrect people, and I doubt she has an interest in resurrecting someone who’s been dead for so long already. She came across as someone who doesn’t like toying with fate. Neal traded away his own life for Rumple to be able to return. That was the price, and Nyx isn’t one to void the price of one’s actions. Anastasia was an exception, because she was destined to continue on, and was revived rather quickly.
[adrotate group="5"]However, what I don’t get is how something so important as Isaac saying that a quill & ink can, in fact, change the past it has created can be overlooked and discounted so easily.
Neal’s death was NOT created by the ink and pen, however. It had nothing to do with something being written in the book. And to our knowledge, Neal’s death was never recorded in the book, thus while Isaac’s statement is intriguing it has little to nothing to do with Neal. ETA: Furthermore at the time of Neal’s death the Author was trapped in the book, having only recorded up to the Curse. He was unable to influence or change anything as his role as author. And we know there can only be one at a time.
That’s just your personal opinion based on suppositions. There may be evidence to support it this coming Sunday, but until then, it’s only suppositions. As I’ve said before, for all we know, there may be another author out there who is writing Isaac’s story, everyone’s complete story. So we really don’t know what has or hasn’t been recorded.
But, if we go with your supposition that Neal’s death was never recorded in any book, that only supports that his death can be undone for the very reason that it was never recorded in the first place. Thus, the original quill & ink that created his past, most certainly could rewrite his outcome.
At this stage of the game, we should all know to read between the lines and to pick up key things that are said. Isaac is on record saying that a quill and ink can change any past it’s created. That makes it canon and canon makes for a good theory.
I get that you and others don’t agree that we’ll see Neal/Bae again, but it doesn’t change the fact that Isaac just made that possibility canon. It’s an official loophole in a show that is all about loops.
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But, if we go with your supposition that Neal’s death was never recorded in any book, that only supports that his death can be undone for the very reason that it was never recorded in the first place. Thus, the original quill & ink that created his past, most certainly could rewrite his outcome.
I don’t follow your logic? If his death wasn’t written by anyone in the first place, then it can’t be re-written by anyone. If you’re talking about changing his story way back when, it could end up changing a lot of things on the show, not the least of which is Henry never existing, and maybe he died a century or so ago instead of in present day if his life were changed to take a different course. Either way, he’s still dead in present day.
At this stage of the game, we should all know to read between the lines and to pick up key things that are said.
I used to. But as the show keeps barreling forward with new shiny PLOT after new shiny PLOT, I feel that the little things, and even big things, no longer hold any significance as the show moves on. Even things like Ursula’s whole existence already feel like ancient history that won’t have any impact on the show or the characters ever again.
The only Author that has had any significance to this show is the one who wrote Henry’s Book. That’s a question viewers have been nagging them to answer since the show began, so they’re answering it in the current plot. Any other Authors through time are irrelevant to the show beyond getting a brief mention by August a few episodes back. By next season they’ll be onto the next PLOT and the Author business will have been put behind them, and I would honestly be shocked if they ever go back to delve into previous Authors in future seasons. So no, I don’t personally put any weight in the semantics of Isaac.
As I’ve said before, for all we know, there may be another author out there who is writing Isaac’s story, everyone’s complete story.
There’s only one Author at a time, the “mantle” passes on when they die.
But, if we go with your supposition that Neal’s death was never recorded in any book, that only supports that his death can be undone for the very reason that it was never recorded in the first place. Thus, the original quill & ink that created his past, most certainly could rewrite his outcome.
Uh, no? The quill and ink can only change the past they’ve created. Thus, if Neal’s death wasn’t created with them, it can’t be changed. And again, emphasis on CREATED. Are you for some reason assuming that the whole Rumple and Bae story was caused by an Author’s meddling?
At this stage of the game, we should all know to read between the lines and to pick up key things that are said. Isaac is on record saying that a quill and ink can change any past it’s created. That makes it canon and canon makes for a good theory. I get that you and others don’t agree that we’ll see Neal/Bae again, but it doesn’t change the fact that Isaac just made that possibility canon. It’s an official loophole in a show that is all about loops.
You’re reading too much into it. The reason Isaac said it was so that A: They can undo the Heroes and Villains book. and/or B: They can swap the darkness back to Emma, which even the Sorcerer couldn’t do. And yeah it’s not a loophole because, once again, Neal’s death was not created by an Author.
As I’ve said before, for all we know, there may be another author out there who is writing Isaac’s story, everyone’s complete story.
There’s only one Author at a time, the “mantle” passes on when they die.
But, if we go with your supposition that Neal’s death was never recorded in any book, that only supports that his death can be undone for the very reason that it was never recorded in the first place. Thus, the original quill & ink that created his past, most certainly could rewrite his outcome.
Uh, no? The quill and ink can only change the past they’ve created. Thus, if Neal’s death wasn’t created with them, it can’t be changed. And again, emphasis on CREATED. Are you for some reason assuming that the whole Rumple and Bae story was caused by an Author’s meddling?
At this stage of the game, we should all know to read between the lines and to pick up key things that are said. Isaac is on record saying that a quill and ink can change any past it’s created. That makes it canon and canon makes for a good theory. I get that you and others don’t agree that we’ll see Neal/Bae again, but it doesn’t change the fact that Isaac just made that possibility canon. It’s an official loophole in a show that is all about loops.
You’re reading too much into it. The reason Isaac said it was so that A: They can undo the Heroes and Villains book. and/or B: They can swap the darkness back to Emma, which even the Sorcerer couldn’t do. And yeah it’s not a loophole because, once again, Neal’s death was not created by an Author.
1) You are assuming that the job gets passed on when a previous author DIES. No where has that been stated. All we know is that the job gets passed on from one author to another. How this is done, will be revealed tonight. Until then, speculating that it’s because the previous author has died, is only that, speculation. Furthermore, we still don’t know if there is only one book being written at same time or if there are several books, with several other authors, being written at the same time. Someone has been telling this story since Isaac was banished to the book, so to rule out that there is another author, telling everyone’s story, including Isaac’s & all present authors, again is only an assumption.
2) The quill and ink changes the past IT has created and not the past THEY’VE (authors) have created. Haven’t got a clue where you are getting THEY’VE from as Isaac clearly said IT, as in the quill & ink.
3) As for reading too much into this, I’m entitled to my opinions just as you are entitled to yours. I’ve repeatedly stated that the arguments for both sides are valid and I really don’t appreciate being told that mine aren’t valid. Had the exact same responses when I posted my theories about Frankie and again when I posted that Pan was Rumple’s father. Look how those theories played out. If Neal’s death hasn’t been recorded and if the original quill & ink that was used in creating his past can be found, there is no good reason not to assume that by changing his past, his future is changed as well.
As for the argument, in another post, that this would affect Henry, I’m speculating that it won’t. A&E used the name Heller for a reason. They used Joe Heller’s Catch 22 in LOST in regards to Desmond & Charlie. Desmond was also the “constant” – the one thing that nothing could change; the paradox. Henry is Desmond. He wasn’t born in the Enchanted Forest so no amount of rewriting will ever change his existence. Henry simply IS and will always BE. That’s the Catch 22.
My experience with A&E, from LOST and OUAT is that you need to pay close attention to their words. Just because you don’t see the big picture now does not mean that they aren’t setting something up for the future. Had Isaac said that no quill or ink can change the past it created, I’d be on board with Phee, Matt, RG & you. But he didn’t. He clearly stated that a quill and ink CAN change the past it created. Yes, OUAT is written for the average viewer who doesn’t want to look any deeper than watching a story on TV. However, it has also been written for those who like to look a little deeper and see all the hidden meanings. It’s all there for both audiences and trust me, A&E know they have a huge LOST Oncers fan base and do write for them, as was evident in S3A. Because A&E said S3A would be parallel to LOST S4, I was able to call Pan being Rumple’s father; call that we would see a Man of Faith vs Man of Science scene between Rumple & Emma; called that Rumple would separate from the group, just as Locke had on LOST; and also called that the group would split up forming new alliances.
We are now again heading into LOST parallels with the story becoming a Flashsideways. Thus the Heller/Catch 22/Desmond=Henry relevances.
This is a OUAT website. As such, fans should be encouraged to post their theories, not discouraged.
I’ve been open minded and have repeatedly stated that my theory could very well be discredited tonight and that others could be right. Why can’t others be just as open minded with mine, until proven otherwise? If Isaac said that a quill & ink CAN change the past it has created, then why not have some fun with this possibility this could present in the show’s future?
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
On a side note, I hope everyone is enjoying their Mother’s Day. 🙂
Really looking forward to tonight’s episode as it looks to be fun & exciting.
Also anticipating all the fun that can be had, here on the boards over the summer, speculating what S5 has in store for us.
Such a great show and despite some disappointments over the loss of characters, I’m still loving the stories A&E are telling us and grateful for the wonderful ride.
Cheers everyone! 🙂
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
With the evidence presented by The Apprentice, at the very end of the finale, I do concede that they have no intention of ever bringing NealFire back.
Neal dying in the real world will not allow magic to bring him back. However (ya, I’m opening up another can of worms here 😉 ), Neal’s fate in regards to his death was set in the EF by bringing back Rumple from the dead. So, how does that work into the real world? I see too many inconsistencies with all of this story telling. Contradiction, after contridiction. Sigh…..
Anyway, just wanted to be the first to admit that my theory was wrong. On to other theories now. 🙂
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