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Does that make it canon now, or is it still AU?
I think that depends on whether they remember the AU when they get back to Storybrooke, right?
[adrotate group="5"]Because Snow and Prince James, the evil twin never actually interacted. They never even really met. When Snow met Charming in Snow Falls, that was Charming, not evil Prince James.
And I guess, the way to look at what’s going to happen in the finale, is that these are not Snow’s real memories of her life. She never met evil Prince James and never fell in love with him.
So, I guess it’s still very AU. But now, it’s a double AU or something. It’s an AU of the AU.
Regina clearly says in the sneak peek that she was a child though?
*Re-watches clip* You’re right. Well I’ll go back to my theory about the AU not technically altering the past, but simply altering everyone’s memories and personalities.
Yeah that sounds better.
Also, I agree that the boy is Henry
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"it’s a double AU or something. It’s an AU of the AU.
…*blinks*
Brain pain
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"So, a philosophical question with all this messy hero/villains switcheroo. I guess Rumple’s primary idea is to “re-rig” the game — if villains never get happy endings, then the statement “it’s time for the villains to get their happy endings” is actually a logical fallacy (since this is admittedly impossible ).
I’m not even sure that Rumple’s assertion that that odds are stacked against the villains is true in the original story or in SB. I think that is just something he has come to believe, because he keeps coming up short. As Cruella said, Rumple’s claim about the odds being stacked against them sounded a lot better than blaming bad judgement and gin. I think the real reason the villains never seem to win is because they try to get happiness the wrong way. They seem to blame everyone else or external circumstances for their unhappiness instead of blaming their own bad judgment. As long as they hold that perspective, they remain villains, bent on this or that quest for revenge, ultimate power, destruction, or what have you. As long as they remain on those paths, they keep on repeating the same old mistakes, and therefore remain unhappy.
The only way to do it is to change the whole armature of the story by inverting everyone’s morality meter. But arguably, from the previews and screen shots, we are dropped into a point of the story where there aren’t any happy endings yet. As such, they all still have to make decisions about which way to go. So how does this work?
Because the AU is likely Rumple’s happy ending, intermixed with Isaac’s interpretations and interruptions, it’s hard to know for sure in advance how much freewill the characters will have as long if Isaac is in charge. The odds may be stacked against the villains in the AU in a way they never were before, since in the previous book, the author’s role was only to record, not to intervene. The difference now is that Isaac has just been given carte blanche to do as he pleases. Isaac isn’t just recording, but dictating, what the characters do, with input from Rumple, meaning the decisions the characters make aren’t their own. If I had to guess, I’d say Rumple will try to have both power and love, and that will be why his quest to be the hero won’t work. It’ll be Rumple’s choice what initial parameters are set for his character, so that in and of itself could influence what the outcome for Rumple will be. However, the loose canon here is Isaac. If he is going to control the actions of the characters in the AU the way Isaac did with the Apprentice in the original Lily story, then that could be a huge problem. Basically, if Isaac is literally dictating every decision that the characters make in the AU, then none of their decisions will be their own, in which case, they’re all just puppets on a string who’re being controlled. That means Isaac is putting himself in the role of master manipulator and that there would be no freedom of choice.
If Isaac ends up being in control of all of the characters, then the only ethical thing is for Henry to replace Isaac to try and free the characters in the AU from Isaac’s dictations. I think Henry will uphold his “sacred duty” as author. Henry’s job won’t be to meddle, as Isaac did, but to restore, from memory, the original story. Henry knows his storybook inside and out, having read it cover to cover a million times. He even recorded it from memory once in S1 when his book had gone missing. Plus, Henry has a good heart, so he can be trusted to faithfully re-record all that was written in his storybook (minus the bits that Isaac manipulated). In that way, I think Henry won’t so much undo choices the characters themselves made, but will merely undo the decisions that Isaac forced upon them all in the AU.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
What I find rather interesting about this switch, is that evil! Snow has magic. They didn’t need to give evil! Magic for the switch to be complete/logical. They just needed to make her evil for the same reasons as Regina was. Does this mean that Snow has inherent magic? It might explain Emma and her brother a bit more.
I have always wondered if Snow would be able to do magic if taught.
Keeper of Regina's bravery
As Cruella said, Rumple’s claim about the odds being stacked against them sounded a lot better than blaming bad judgement and gin
Man, I miss Cruella. She had the best lines 🙂 Though Isaac did say that for whatever reason Regina’s had it especially tough, because there were ‘bigger forces at work,’ so I hope they address that.
Of course, on a meta level, Rumple is right. In Disneyfied fairytales, villains never win. Hehe, maybe he’s trying to stage the fairytale villains’ revolution against the oppression of Disneyfication. (Hence the whole ‘villains of the world unite’ story arc, and the teaming up with the author, thus reappropriating the means of production of fairytale stories…). Ok, now I’m really overthinking this. O_o
Basically, if Isaac is literally dictating every decision that the characters make in the AU, then none of their decisions will be their own, in which case, they’re all just puppets on a string who’re being controlled.
I’m still unclear on the rules of how his writing works — can he manipulate everything, or are there limits? In any case, if Isaac is micromanaging every decision, then it eliminates the moral quandary of annulling anything positive that might come out of this AU for character development. Then, you’re right, Henry restoring things to status quo is the only logical solution to an universe without free will.
So does baby Neal exist in this AU or have they just completely forgotten about him?
I don’t think he exists
I’m still unclear on the rules of how his writing works — can he manipulate everything, or are there limits?
To add to this: why isn’t the Sorcerer stopping all this, if the Sorcerer is out God-insert. Does he think there is a lesson to be learned on both sides and thus lets it play out? Does he need Emma to do her Stabby POOF thing in the end so he’s letting this happen to ensure that?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Who’s the Dark One now then? Or is Rumple still going to be the D1, but make better decisions about how to use (instead of abuse) his powers? Perhaps the Dark One title has changed to the ‘light one’?
It’ll be interesting to see how Zelena’s life is in this new world. I’m also curious to see how Robin’s life is in the alt-reality. Will his ‘goody-ness’ be switched with the sheriff’s ‘baddie-ness’ I wonder (now wouldn’t that be a kick in the teeth for Regina!).
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